Morning Fizz, News & Politics

“No Matter How Many Moats You Have.”

By Morning Fizz, Wednesday, March 10, 2010 at 9:16 AM
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1. Remember the uproar over the surveillance cameras when former Mayor Greg Nickels proposed installing them in four Seattle parks?

Update: City council staff say the cameras—which cost the city just over $400,000 to install—have actually been inactive, the result of budget shortfalls that caused the council to allocate camera funding to other programs.

In theory, police staff in the West Precinct could still use the cameras in Cal Anderson Park on Capitol Hill (the rest are inoperational), but no one has watched or monitored the cameras for over a year and a half, sources say.

2. During a public forum at Seattle University last night, proponents and opponents of City Council member Tim Burgess’ proposal to crack down on aggressive panhandling made the case for and against the measure. (The legislation—which the Defend Association Racial Disparity Project, says doesn’t address the most common complaints people have made about aggressive panhandlers, and that most of the complaints would be addressed by existing law—would prohibit soliciting from people using ATMs and parking meters; using abusive language while asking for money; pursuing a person who has refused to give money; and offering or providing unsolicited services without consent.)

Jon Scholes, policy director at the Downtown Seattle Association, and Burgess argued that the legislation is needed to make downtown feel safe again for residents and visitors. “Our members and residents have had encounters with people who will follow them, people who will get in their face … people who are soliciting for organizations as well as people who are soliciting for their own benefit. So it’s a wide area of concern,” Scholes said.

Tim Harris, executive director of the homeless newspaper Real Change, argued that the people Scholes and Burgess wanted to protect were primarily rich condo owners. “These [panhandlers] are people who are interfering visibly with our cathedral of consumption downtown,” Harris said. “This isn’t about balancing order versus liberty. This is about [protecting] the comfort zones of the affluent up against the dirt poor in a time of radical inequality. … If you’re rich living downtown, no matter how many moats you have, [being asked for money] is going to be unsettling.”

Scholes countered that most of the people living downtown are renters, and few are rich. “Our downtown is not full of moats and penthouses.”

Burgess’ legislation reportedly has the support of a majority of council members; the council will take up the proposal later this month.

3. We’ve reported how a few amendments to this year’s education reform bill in Olympia—amendments that would establish strict teacher evaluations—have gone down in flames, perhaps putting our state’s chances of getting federal education dollars in jeopardy according to reformers.

Killing those amendments was key to passing the bill though, because it secured the support of the teachers union —and thus the majority Democrats. The Governor now wants to sign the bill and move forward, arguing that the evaluations standards in the legislation are strong enough to make Washington state competitive for federal money.

However, one amendment that did pass may now sink the bill either way. The House added an amendment to the bill that commits the the state to spending over $1 billion on the expanded definition “basic education” standards that passed last year.

In a post on the Senate Democrats blog on Monday, Senate Majority Leader Lisa Brown (D-3, Spokane) denounced the House amendment:

That language does not have the same strong bipartisan support in the Senate, where many senators believe that in order to commit to spending billions more in basic education, we must first identify revenue to back up that future obligation.

The Senate would like to see SB 6696 move forward with just the Race to the Top language to ensure that we as a state are well positioned to compete for the Race to the Top grant.

HB 2776 is notable policy that deserves to be discussed on its own merits. But bringing it into the separate discussion of how to qualify for Race to the Top money only muddies the Senate’s important proposal to compete for these winnable federal funds.

4. A bill to raise the hazardous substance tax (which would raise $100 million for storm water cleanup and maybe for patching up the general fund) may be in jeopardy. The oil industry is circulating a memo among legislators arguing that the tax is unconstitutional because it amounts to a gas tax. The 18th amendment to Washington state’s constitution says gas taxes can only be spent on roads.

Environmentalists have responded with a memo of their own, pointing that the industry has been paying the tax since 1988 without ever raising constitutional complaints and that the tax is constitutional because it is based on value—which the state Supreme Court has ruled is not coverd by the 18th Amendment—rather than volume.

  • Chris Martin
    Unless we add several hundres new police officers none of these new ordinaces will be enforced. There are laws against dealing crack and smoking dope in public. But a lot of that at 2nd and Pike. More beat cops are the only answer. And, they have to be able to implement aggresive stop and frisk tactics.
  • Seattle_Steve
    I agree with Harris that there is a radical inequality that is wrong. I disagree that the proposed laws are intended to keep poor people out of the faces of the rich. That's an enormous accusation that's just plain wrong and offensive.

    It is reasonable to expect to feel safe from aggressive panhandling. And it is reasonable to protect people from it. The fact is that some, NOT ALL, of the people I know who panhandle do take advantage of people in offensive ways. That's a problem we can try to solve.

    Everyone should feel safe downtown and elsewhere is the City. Right now that's not the case, due in part, to bad actors in the panhandle world. There's no downside to attempting to fix that.
  • sarah68
    This proposed ordinance may (and no doubt is, as Burgess admits) driven by downtown merchants. However, it will be a CITY-WIDE ordinance. Thus, in my neighborhood of Lake City, which has had an increased population of homeless people over the years, I'm not sure how those people, who I've never observed threatening people at ATMs or parking lots, are going to know that they must stand at least 15 feet away from those areas when they occasionally ask for change. Since there aren't enough police to actually patrol neighborhoods (even the reputedly-highly-dangerous downtown areas), there certainly aren't enough to notify prospective panhandlers as Burgess states will be done 90 days before the ordinance takes effect.

    Another unanswered question: How will this be enforced? Will police have to actually view the "infraction"? If not, is it the ATM user's word against the panhandler? It seems there's a little civil rights problem there. Burgess admitted at the forum last that the civil rights issue wouldn't answered then. So why go ahead to try to get the Council's approval before that's settled?

    Burgess stated in a meeting recently that if it's fought through the courts, the City Attorney's office has a fund to defend that fight. That's my money and your money in that fund. I don't want it used for that purpose. Having lived in my neighborhood for 26 years, my neighborhood doesn't need this ordinance. If the Pioneer Square merchants want this protection, let them hire their own security guards with their money.
  • morning fizzy
    I'm not for this but I must point out that most all crimes are not witnessed by the police. Most all arrests are based on non-police testimony.

    Where did Burgess say they had a fund? Are you sure he isn't referring to the previous City Attorney?
  • sarah68
    Forgot to say he didn't say it in the forum, he said it at a non-public meeting with a number of participants.

    Most crimes aren't simply based on purported speech. There's usually some sort of noncircumstantial evidence -- i.e., physical injury, property stolen, etc.
  • sarah68
    No, he was referring to the City Attorney's office fund for litigation expenses. Who the incumbent is doesn't matter.
  • ratcityreprobate
    Burgess is grandstanding. This is part of his 2013 mayoral campaign. There is no money for enforcement, just as there is no money to operate those surveillance cameras, another costly empty gesture by this City Council. Will they go to E-Bay the way their robotic toilets did?
  • WorkForMyKids
    Different point of view:
    Tim Burgess is following the line from the "broken window" theory from
    NYC. As an FYI, NYC hired hundreds and hundreds of new policeman during Giuliani and Bratton time, which was the real reason why crime went down. Civility laws without enforcement by police walking the
    beat means nothing. Wait for it. Watch for a public safety levy.

    The DSA (and perhaps, the city) is basically afraid, not by panhandlers,
    but rather that the downtown core is slowly dying. The DSA represent
    the largest landowners/businesses in the downtown core. Do not
    forget that. DSA is grasping at straws at anything, trying to stop the
    exodus of shoppers and residents from downtown. This is mostly
    a marketing gimmick and illusion that somehow laws without being
    to enforce them will make the downtown vibrant again.

    There are reasons why the downtown core is dying:
    1. Overbuilt office space - 7+ million sqft of unrent space
    2. Expensive parking. People still drive, sorry Sierra Club.
    3. Updated Suburban/neighborhood malls with free parking. See U village.
    4. High unemployment in jobs that require office space.
    5. The Digital Superhighway - Internet shopping.
    6. My favorite: Empty nesters who used to live in Single family homes
    for 30+ years did not flock to live in a tiny 800 sqft condo downtown.
    Duh.

    The DSA followed bad advice and strategy during the last 10 years.
    This is just a continuation of the same blind leading the blind, while
    the poor and weak get kicked around. Well, I will ease my conscience
    by shopping at the U Village, Bellevue mall, or Amazon.
  • Michael G
    I was at the Seattle U forum last night (and in case anyone is wondering, I also do real work). First, I would say that of the many forums I have been to, this was one of the better ones. We had a good panel and good questions, although there were a few points that I would have liked to see be addressed. Tim Burgess dedicated a substantial portion of his opening statement to explain that the proposal is much milder than in many other cities. Jon Scholes focused on what he has discovered in working with downtown residents. Anita Khandelwal focused on the legal precedents and argued that the rule might be unconstitutional. Tim Harris's focus was as reported above. A few of my own thoughts about the discussion. I was a bit disappointed by the response to Khandelwal's arguments, other than Burgess's comment that the Seattle law department had determined the proposal to be legally sound. In response to a question, Burgess argued that going after aggressive panhandling creates standards of conduct, which ultimately reduces more serious crimes. It is an indirect argument and I felt the weakest part of Burgess's case. Neither Burgess nor Scholes responded to the question of whether there would be resources for enforcement. Another question I would have liked to see come up, but didn't, was whether the proposal actually places a significant burden on panhandlers. Tim Harris failed to explain how following people, using abusive language, and operating close to ATM's is necessary for panhandlers to conduct their business. Also, I was quite incensed by his comments that are quoted above and some other comments. It is a baseless insult to say that the proposal is some sort of conspiracy against the homeless (a phrase used by Burgess) or that the real motivation is to "hide" homelessness from public view.
  • brata
    I hope that Tim Burgess can look back in 20 years, after global warming has firmly taken hold, after other cities lap us uet again on transportation infrastructure, after we're flooded with thousands more crappy cardboard townhouses and condos, after our port-related businesses move to Vancouver or (gasp) Tacoma, after Olympia totally writes Seattle off as being amenable to work with, after 520 crumbles and sinks under the weight of indecision, etc ...

    I hope Tim looks back in 20 years after all of this happens and stands proud that he used his time in power to wage a weird war on panhandlers, which stands somewhere between "inconvenience" and "not that big of a deal." Priorities!
  • just a thought
    How effective is the Burgess proposal- almost all elements of it result in subjective determination: abusive language; so the ticket scalper who asks me three times in a loud voice for my extra; does that fall under the abusive part of the ordinance. Also, are the extra police that will be part of this proposal going to stake out the atm's and parking meters creating 15 ft "anxiety free" zones? Why don't we just focus on the bad spots that everyone seems to know about and increase the police presence there and get the thugs who are committing robberies and assault off the streets. I have not seen it proven that those thugs are the panhandlers.
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