Worried About It

By Morning Fizz, Monday, December 14, 2009 at 9:25 AM
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1. Dow Constantine is paying Northwest Passage—his political consulting firm during the King County Executive’s race—a $30,000 win bonus according to the most recent campaign finance reports.

2. Now that Mike McGinn is going to be mayor, is he going to oppose the tunnel? Morning Fizz doesn’t know. But we hear the city council—which supports the tunnel—is worried about it.

Watch for some drama between the council and McGinn when the council tries to formalize the city’s 2010 lobbying agenda in Olympia.

3. The local chapter of the American Institute of Architects (AIA) sent a letter to the city and state departments of transportation last week protesting the way the departments are planning the south portal to the proposed downtown waterfront tunnel, which would be located in SoDo and Pioneer Square.

Instead of looking at how the portal would impact those neighborhoods, the letter says, the departments are focusing entirely on moving as many cars as possible, “without a clearly defined vision for how to simultaneously address and protect Seattle’s urban fabric.” The letter, which is signed by the AIA’s co-chair, president, and executive director, continues:

With its extensive set of elevated, depressed, and surface level roadways and ramps the portal is like a freeway interchange placed directly adjacent to one of the most fragile and important historic districts, Pioneer Square, in the country. It also sits in the middle of the Stadium/Ballpark/Exhibition Hall district which attracts hundreds of thousands of pedestrians each year.  The portal as designed has the potential to impose the same negative impact on all of this activity as the current viaduct has had on the waterfront.

The AIA’s letter goes on to criticize tunnel planners for ignoring the impact the project would have on local street traffic, failing to consider improvements for transit users, cyclists, and pedestrians, eliminating access to the waterfront from Pioneer Square, and ignoring urban design and the local ecology.

4. Heidi (aka BookNerd) lit up the comments thread on Friday (BookNerd?). I guess that’s what happens when you slag on Elliott Bay Books. Discussion here.

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  • Mickymse
    @ 22,

    Our bored tunnel would be one of the largest in the world. That is exotic...

    And, apparently, our rocks and soils are exotic... since we currently have not just one, but TWO, boring machines stuck underground on the Brightwater sewage project.
  • Mikos
    Without a guarantee that the state will pick up cost over-runs, it would be irresponsible for any elected official to support moving ahead with the bored tunnel -- whether they support the concept or not. Seattle can not afford the cost over-runs likely to occur (see The SIghtline Institute study cited in Publicola previously) on a project of this magnitude.
  • hmmmm
    McGinn=liar.
  • "If I'm elected mayor, though I disagree with this decision, it will be my job to uphold and execute this agreement," McGinn said. "It is not the mayor's job to withhold the cooperation of city government in executing this agreement."

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/...

    That's what he said. I guess going to Olympia to sandbag the the plan is somehow not withholding cooperation.
  • sarah68
    McGinn did not say he approved the tunnel in the last few weeks. He simply referenced the Mayor not being able to override the approval of the Council.

    Wells, who are you? "As I stated above" sounds like something from a public official writing an op-ed.
  • Wells
    History buff, as I explained above, the 4-lane Cut-n-cover does NOT require shutting down the AWV. Again, the trench is dug in 2-block segments from the south, traffic diverted around the trench, under the AWV and returned to the surface above completed segments. The strongest possible Seawall is rebuilt at the same time.

    Once the cut/cover portal at Pike is completed, the AWV is closed and traffic diverted for 1-2 years via Broad Street onto a probably permanent (and desirable) bridge over the railroad tracks onto Alaska Way and enter/exit the portal at Pike while the Lower Belltown segment of SR99 is built.

    As I stated above, this is a manageable construction process, NOT a disaster. A disaster would be having the Deep-bore portal fail in an earthquake and a tower fall killing perhaps thousands. This deep-bore tunnel is like no other. It's the largest ever, houses a double-deck freeway, too near skyscraper foundations to be safe. And there are many other significant reasons to support the 4-lane Cut-n-cover tunnel instead, though you find them inconvenient to consider.
  • Mohamed
    Well, i don't think the specail interest, people who make money polluting the planet like Shell,Exxon Mobile type and the fat guys with SUVs will allow gas tax increase. But is good idea .
  • A: State gas tax for the state highway (tunnel).
  • Advocate
    Where will we get the money to build the Tunnel?Let us address cost over run first. We are fighting over something we are not sure if we can do it.
  • history buff
    Wells: Cut and cover would be a disaster. It would shut the whole transportation corridor for anywhere between 5 and 10 years. The bored tunnel is not exotic in any way, if they can build them across across Europe and Asia by the dozens, we better be able to do one here or there is some serious problem with our political system. Oh - that's right, we do have a serious problem with our political system.
  • hmm
    Can I have the $50 I gave Dow back? Thanks.
  • Mikos
    Mcginn sure sounded like he still opposes the tunnel on Up Front yesterday. Despite judy Clibborn's assertion that making the city responsible for cost over-runs was all for show, Senator Kastama says no. If you want to bankrupt Seattle, there is no quicker way than making it pay for a tunnel with billions of dollars of cost over-runs.
  • Africa
    It is unfortunate that while we have close to 3 billion defecit in our state, and all important programs has been cut off from the needy citizens. Some people are still dreaming Fricking Tunnel that cost hell of money. This Tunnel is niether increases our transportaion need nor our quality of life. There are cheaper and better way to do it. The citizen of this State will not sit and watch the people who got us into this mess to continue to do the old way. We can't afford 2.4 billion of bailout of the developers and the specail interest. Not this time
  • Wells
    Picture the GIANT 54' diameter deep-bore tunnel in terms of its 'segmented' design. Each (say 10') segment is further segmented in curved concrete pieces that fitted together form a 170' circumference tube, (say "ten" 17' x 10' pieces).

    Even though this GIANT tube is strengthened with reinforced concrete walls, road and ceiling, it has innumerable weak points that could fail in an major earthquake. This GIANT tube is too close to the foundations of Seattle towers to chance it. McGinn is right to oppose it.

    The surface/transit option is actually possible, but not at this time. Eventually, cross-county traffic could be reduced to levels that a surface boulevard could handle. However, Seattle's transition to regional planning principles is undermined by corrupt department heads serving commerical business interests instead of the public good. Grace Crunican pretended to support the surface/transit option only to win the favor of gullible environmentalists. She planned to convert the Wide Plaza into parking lots. Boowah-ah-ah-ah-ah-aaaaaahhh!!!
  • Wells
    The impact on 1st Ave is due to the necessity for cut/cover tunnel construction for its first few hundred feet where depth is shallow and consists of soft surface soils. Near Jackson Street it'll be deep enough for the GIANT tunnel bore machine to take over in solid subsoils and bedrock.

    There's no actual exit at Pioneer Square. The southbound exit is due west from Seasquawk Stadium, the north entrance at Royal Brougham. The new ramp flyover design is south of Royal Brougham.

    The Cut-n-cover is tunnel is entirely along Alaskan Way and has zero impact on 1st Ave. Current WSDOT studies in Sodo are the same preliminary work applicable to a Cut/cover tunnel. Imagine 100 years from now and a sea level rise of 5'. Storms will impact Puget Sound/Salish Sea more furiously. A Cut-n-cover tunnel under Alaskan Way makes the strongest seawall and most stable Alaskan Way. Duh.
  • Dorothy
    One hugely affected party - and the biggest employer on the Waterfront - is often left out of these discussions. The Coast Guard has their main gate in Alaskan and is usually ignored. They need to get their people in and out, not to mention cargo.
  • Michael M.
    @13 -

    That's nice. But remember, McGinn doesn't want any tunnel, and especially not a C/C. He likes the surface street option.
  • Double-bonus: try getting a Surface Option through the Transportation Subcommittee.

    You want to count the votes?
    Conlin
    Godden
    Rasmussen
    Clark
    Burgess
    Harrell
    Bagshaw
    Licata
    The other Mike
  • Wells
    The Deep-bore tunnel is a big mistake. The better tunnel option is WSDOT's 2008 Scenario 'G' 4-lane Cut-n-cover for these critically important reasons:

    - it accommodates regional traffic much better
    - it produces the strongest seawall and most stable Alaskan Way road and plaza
    - it significantly reduces traffic on Alaskan Way (and Mercer Street)
    - produces more construction jobs
    - safer evacuation plan
    - more resistant to earthquake damage
    - may cost hundreds of millions less

    The Deep-bore tunnel has one advantage:
    - less inconvenience for cruise line patrons and waterfront tourist economy. That's it.

    In 2007, the 4-lane Cut-n-cover was called 'Tunnelite' and in the March vote was not fully vetted. Up til then, Seattle voters were presented only with 6-lane cut-n-cover tunnel plans which forecast too much contruction impact and was voted down for that reason.

    However, WSDOT's 2008 Scenario 'G' 4-lane Cut-n-cover Tunnel allows the AWV to remain in place up til rebuilding the Lower Belltown segment. SR-99 traffic then is diverted via Broad Street onto a probably permanent (and desirable) bridge over the railroad tracks and enters the completed tunnel at Pike Street for a year or so. The seawall is by that time rebuilt and much of the plaza finished too.

    The main years of trench construction, dug in 2-block segments from the south, those too are a manageable construction process. Traffic is diverted under the AWV, around the trench and returned to the surface above completed segments.

    The 'strongest' seawall and 'most stable' Alaskan Way road and plaza are only possible with the cut-n-cover. The cut-n-cover handles the Ballard-bound traffic, about 40,000 vehicles daily or 2500 per hour that with the Deep-bore will be dumped onto the new Alaskan Way with 15-20 stoplights. That much more traffic there is sure to produce gridlock all day long.

    Some thousands of this traffic is 'Crunican-planned' to be diverted via a reconfigured Mercer Street (including 2-lane Mercer Place) to the Deep-bore portal on Aurora. Lower Queen Anne residents are completely unaware of SDOT's terrible "Mercer West" plan.

    SDOT's design for Alaskan Way with either tunnel is terrible! The early 'pre-Crunican' design that included a frontage road on the east side is necessary to divide thru-traffic from motorists looking to park. Many respected architects consider the wide plaza disproportionate and it may ultimately become makeshift or even permanent parking.

    The cut-n-cover produces many more jobs than the Deep-bore tunnel. It has a better, safer evacuation plan in an emergency. A segmented bore tunnel is weak at every joint and is thus less stable in an earthquake than a 'box' cut/cover tunnel. The cut/cover may cost hundreds of millions less, but that's debateable.

    Mayor McGinn's opposition to the Deep-bore will be supported by anyone with the sense to recognize Seattle is being bamboozled again by corrupt transportation planning department heads. Good grief.
  • Funny
    Off with their heads!!
  • I'm shocked! Shocked!

    How many votes to over ride a mayoral veto? 6?

    Those against the tunnel, Licata is your Lieberman, enjoy.
  • Michael M.
    While I did not support Mr. McGinn, I am willing to give him the opportunity to at least govern for awhile before overtly criticizing his tenure. If he wants his tenure to be marked by one issue, then that is his prerogative. However, that would be a terrible move, and I am hopeful that he will instead focus on things that he really has control over.

    IMO, he will need to focus on public safety, transportation infrastructure improvements (and not just bike lanes and sidewalks, but roads, right of way issues, and connections between neighborhoods), the piece of education that the City does have control over (stop screwing over libraries), and attracting employers to our city. There are a litany of other issues that require addressing, as well. Leave state highways to the State, and focus on what we need done for the city and by the city.
  • ivan
    What part of "it's a state highway" do these architects fail to understand?
  • Of course, the AIA is pretending it's still 1985 and that Pioneer Square is still an economically and culuitrally relevant part of Seattle. As we touched upon in the Elliott Bay Books story, Pioneer Square is an economic and culutral shell of itself and at best needs a serious overhaul.

    But basically, even if you can make a case that a tunnel outlet will kill the neighborhood... a) can you really kill something that's already dying? and b) Construction blockading Royal Brougham and surrounding streets sure hasn't impacted crowds at Mariners, Seahawks and Sounders matches.
  • history buff
    My prediction: McGinn will oppose the tunnel as a hedge. If it is successful, it will be due to his fiscal prowess. If a failure, he will say he told everybody so (at least when he wasn't at the key part of the election).
  • wtf
    Did we elect a mayor or a figure skater? What is this? A triple axle?

    First his opposition to the tunnel was the raison d'etre of his campaign; then his support for the tunnel after a predictable City Council vote signaled his mature leadership and mollified all the voters worried we might elect a my-way-or-the-highway leader more interested in brawling with the establishment than alleviating traffic, and now we hear that "psyche I don't really support the tunnel, after I said I did."

    I don't think McGinn realizes the collateral effects on his credibility here--or maybe he just doesn't care. How are people in the affordable housing, social services, or law enforcement community supposed to trust him?

    Mayor Flip-flop-flip.
  • lol
    So McGinn was just pretending to support the tunnel those last few days?
  • Fat-tailed
    Architects sure do good work when they're not signing their name to that same 6-pack of townhomes again.
  • soooooo
    Let it begin!
  • Stacy
    McGinn doesn't need to oppose the tunnel; the tunnel will oppose itself as the public learns more about the enormous problems with the project (potential realignment, south and north portal issues, tolling diversion, increasing costs and more to come...).
  • West Seattle Waiter
    you are right Morning Fizz... word has that McGinn's 'ambassadors' are telling people in Olympia that they will be revisiting the entire project and that its "dead"

    now this is a real "flip-flop"
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