Documents Reveal Fix Was In for Deep-Bore Tunnel

By Erica C. Barnett, Friday, October 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM
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[This story was originally published yesterday afternoon.]

Public records from the state Department of Transportation (WSDOT), available here, contain a number of disturbing revelations about the process that led WSDOT to move forward with the deep-bore tunnel on the downtown waterfront early this year.

Emails, internal memos, and other agency documents reveal that WSDOT appointed longtime advocates for the deep-bore tunnel as “experts” on tunnel costs; redistributed tunnel costs to make the price appear lower; and failed to study the surface/transit/I-5 alternative, subbing in a faux four-lane “surface” alternative that included none of the transit and surface-street improvements in the surface/transit/I-5 proposal.

The records come from a massive public-disclosure request filed by Seattle Citizens Against the Tunnel, which is suing the state over the tunnel project, arguing that WSDOT is illegally moving forward with the tunnel before completing a state-mandated environmental review.

Among the information revealed in the records released by WSDOT:

• The state Department of Transportation relied heavily on outside advice from the Cascadia Center, the transportation wing of the Discovery Institute, to come up with estimates of how much to include for risk and contingency in the budget for the tunnel. Cascadia has been pushing for the deep-bore tunnel for years; back in the summer of 2007, Cascadia director Bruce Agnew penned an editorial for the Puget Sound Business Journal outlining “our plan” to replace the Alaskan Way Viaduct: A deep-bore tunnel. Not surprising, then, that in an email to WSDOT  staff, Agnew concluded: “Our belief is that the deep bored tunnel should proceed.”

Despite this blatant advocacy, WSDOT apparently considered Agnew and Cascadia sufficiently unbiased to serve as an expert adviser to its viaduct replacement team. In an email dated December 23, 2008, WSDOT Urban Corridors Deputy Director Ron Paananen asked viaduct project manager John White and consultant Amy Grotenfendt, “Has anyone heard back from Cascadia? We need their feedback to help in reconsideration of the risk and contingency numbers.”

In an email the following day, Agnew—echoing a Cascadia press release calling early cost estimates for the deep-bore tunnel  “inflated, inaccurate and more myth than reality—sent agency staff another email asserting that the tunnel cost estimate “appears to be significantly higher than any other tunnel project” built previously in the world and suggested that the agency should lower its cost estimates.

That same day, White noted in an email to WSDOT consultants and staff that Cascadia believed its numbers for “add-ons” to the tunnel project (a category that includes risk and cost escalation, $418 million and $166 million, respectively) were too high and suggested lowering the overall cost of the tunnel.

Finally, when state Rep. Geoff Simpson, a tunnel opponent, asked WSDOT “what level of independent review” WSDOT had done on its cost estimates, WSDOT responded, “Cascadia and other tunnel experts have been very active in reviewing the tunnel estimate work to date.”

Among those “other experts”: The global engineering firm Arup. Arup has frequently collaborated with Cascadia, and in 2009 completed a $35,000 report, paid for by Cascadia, that deep-bore tunnels are both feasible and affordable.

How influential were Cascadia and Arup in WSDOT’s decision to go forward with the tunnel and lower estimates of its cost? Paananen says Cascadia was just one of “a number of different experts,” and that “we didn’t weight their input more heavily than anyone.”

• Speaking of Arup, the firm was mentioned by name in an email from WSDOT’s White to Agnew and Cascadia Projects coordinator Renee Roline. In the email, which seeks Arup’s advice on costs, WSDOT’S White writes, “If a bored tunnel is to advance, there will be plenty of opportunity for Arup and others to further engage in the design process and potentially construction, but ahead of that we need to pull together the best tunnel thinking available related to thoughts on costs and construction options.”

Not quite a promise of a quid pro quo, but it certainly could be read to suggest that Arup should expect design and construction work from WSDOT in the future.  Paananen says the language in the email was “not unusual at all.

“We get lots of inquiries from engineering firms and contractors asking, what are the next pieces of work coming out and what opportunities will there be to bid.” However, that does not appear to be the context in which White made his comments.

• In that same December 23 email exchange, WSDOT urban corridors administrator Dave Dye notes that he has been “getting vibes from New York” that WSDOT’s tunnel cost estimates were “too conservative”—in other words, they included too many contingencies and were generally too high. (WSDOT has a number of  advisers in New York).

Paananen says the “New York” reference could have referred to “any number of folks,” adding, “We were all getting some of that pushback from tunneling experts that our tunnel estimate was high.” He says WSDOT felt confident lowering its estimate once it settled on a single deep-bore tunnel rather than two side-by-side deep-bore tunnels, which have more risks and are more expensive.

Dye then suggests that WSDOT reduce the potential cost range for the tunnel, “with the current estimate [becoming] the high end.” The effect of that change would be to make the overall cost of the tunnel lower. And it appears to contradict another email from Dye, in which he told a group of staffers and consultants that he believed $2.13 billion was “the most probable” estimate, adding, “I’m inclined to say  $2.13 billion is the right figure to build a finance plan around. … We should stick with the $2.13 billion figure.”

On January 6, two weeks later, WSDOT consultant Amy Grotenfendt (originally hired to do public relations and community outreach) wrote in an email, “I changed the cost of the bored tunnel to $1.9 billion since we were moving $100 million down the utilities line.” In other words, the state shifted $100 million to the city’s portion of the funding, allowing WSDOT to shave off that $100 million. Paananen says he thinks the state shifted more then $200 million of the utility relocation costs to the city, but that number doesn’t show up anywhere in the emails.

• In an email dated Jan. 2, 2009, WSDOT consultant Mike Rigsby suggested raising the costs estimates for utility relocation for all the non-bored-tunnel replacement alternatives (from $150 million each for the surface/transit and elevated options to $233 million and $210 million, respectively) and lowering the cost estimate for utility relocation for the bored tunnel, from $152 million to $100 million.

Rigsby does not explain why he suggests those changes, which have the effect of making the deep-bore tunnel look cheaper and the other alternatives more expensive.

And it’s unclear if the changes were made. Paananen says he doesn’t know if WSDOT changed its utility relocation cost estimates, but adds, “I’m not exactly sure where Mike was coming from.”

• The draft EIS makes clear that WSDOT did not bother to study any version of the surface/transit alternative, despite the fact that the Viaduct Stakeholders Group recommended further study of that alternative. Instead, it studied a faux “no build” option, in which the viaduct is simply torn down and nothing done to mitigate the impact of losing that corridor. (In contrast, surface/transit/I-5 includes adding a lane to I-5, improving surface streets downtown and in South Lake Union, and investing hundreds of millions in new transit). Not surprisingly, the analysis found that the “no build” option was not a feasible alternative, with slower travel times, lower transit ridership, and much more traffic on surface streets downtown.

• Although Gov. Christine Gregoire and WSDOT director Paula Hammond have explicitly redefined “capacity” to mean “ability to move people and goods,” not the number of cars a road can hold (a top priority of environmentalists), WSDOT planners refer repeatedly to car capacity as a measure of the quality of the viaduct replacement. In a memo dated December 29, 2008, White said a deep-bored tunnel would “maintain capacity for trips through downtown and provide room for growth in those vehicle trips expected by 2030.” Elsewhere in the documents, a consultant notes that the estimates assumed 10 percent growth in traffic between 2015 and 2030. And a draft environmental impact statement for the tunnel predicts that vehicle-hours traveled downtown will increase by nearly 17,000 a day in the next six years, that travel times will decrease or increase only slightly, and that vehicle miles traveled will increase about 12 percent.

• According to internal WSDOT memos, tunnel construction could have a devastating effect on Pioneer Square.  South of King Street, WSDOT’s consultants recommended building a cut-and-cover tunnel, despite “excessive and difficult utility relocations in 1st Ave., disruptions to traffic,” and threats to “structural underpinnings of adjacent buildings” (AKA the beams and underground walls that hold buildings up). Tunneling in Pioneer Square, in other words, is risky business, and could threaten sidewalks, streets, and buildings.

Paananen acknowledges that “we have to be very careful” in Pioneer Square because of ground conditions there, but says, “The whole deal with risk for us is, identify the risk, then mitigate it.”

• Emails from WSDOT staff make repeated references to saving money by shortening the timeline for construction from nine years  to 7.5. However, WSDOT’s current timeline calls for construction to begin in 2011 and end in 2015. Paanenen attributes the shortened schedule to two factors: the decision to dig one tunnel instead of two, and a switch to a design-build procurement process, in which a single team of firms will both design and build the tunnel.

• On the north end of the tunnel, WSDOT notes that building the deep-bore tunnel would dump an additional 35,000 vehicles in South Lake Union and Queen Anne (the total number of cars entering the tunnel on Western or existing at Battery Street). That’s a huge amount of additional traffic in a neighborhood that’s already saddled with the so-called “Mercer Mess.” In a February email to one of WSDOT’s consultants, Ivar’s CEO Bob Donegan called the traffic situation “a huge issue for the freight guys in Ballard and NW Seattle.”

• The draft environmental impact statement on the tunnel—the document that shows what environmental, traffic, and other impacts the tunnel will have in Seattle and the surrounding areas—contains a note making it clear that WSDOT and its consultants intended to keep the public document from the public. The note reads:

“We respectfully request that the public not be given access to this document because FHWA has determined that this preliminary document is an intergovernmental exchange that may be withheld under the Freedom of Information Act.” (Whoops.) “Premature release of this material to any segment of the public could give some sectors an unfair advantage and would have a chilling effect on intergovernmental coordination and the success of the cooperating agency concept.” Paananen says the agency routinely places that notice on preliminary draft documents, and only formally releases the final draft.

  • Bob Pierce
    Hey anybody notice WSDOT built the narrows bridge 13.5% under budget (114 million). They are not an evil entity.
  • That, and I went to sleep. Do you guys sleep? Or am I arguing with urbanist zombies?
  • Oh, I just left it at that. Flyvbjerg's concepts are tangentially applicable at best. I'm actually reading the WSDOT e-mails that SCAT posted.
  • elaineinballard
    Well, looks like Susanneston's "strategic misrepresentation" comment quieted Gomez, or else he's off reading Flyvbjerg's book and we'll hear more from him tomorrow morning?
  • Susanneston
    Gomez, I merely pointed out that Flyvberg’s research on mega-transportation projects all over the world, “Cost underestimation and overrun cannot be explained by error and seem to be best explained by strategic misrepresentation, namely lying, with a view to getting projects started.”

    Erica's article fits exactly into Flyvberg's research conclusions. WSDOT has apparently engaged in strategic misrepresentation.
  • This looks like appealing stuff, especially his work on calling into question the social sciences in general.

    That said, not every megaproject is an inherent failure. Link Light Rail, for example, fits the technical definition of a megaproject. If we account for inflation and relative expense, the NY Subway, Chicago's EL-train, other subways and other transit projects would fit the bill of megaprojects. Are they overpriced boondoggles because they're megaprojects? A blanket definition is not what Bent's getting at, so much as to question the process.

    I can understand scrutinizing the cost analysis of a major project, a worthwhile act, but to cite Flyvbjerg's quote as evidence that the tunnel is an excessive waste of money isn't necessarily fair on anyone's part, not Bent's, not Seattle's, not WSDOT's or anyone else's. Taking Bent's word to heart, every megaproject, not even transit projects, will simply cost too much to be worth it.

    Ultimately, for the value his perspective provides and for his emphases on common sense, keep in mind he's a scholar making a macrojudgment on entire civil engineering concepts from a purely academic perspective, and keep in mind that megaprojects often overrun due to a scope beyond what engineers and city planners have seen... and despite claims to the contrary, a deep bore tunnel isn't exactly a brand new concept to Seattle or engineers in general. From a look at his history and body of work, it seems he's also in the business of subverting the dominant paradigm, and as a result will take a direction of questioning everything.

    That said, I think this stuff is worth a further read and I appreciate you bringing it up.
  • Susanneston
    Bent Flyvbjerg is Doctor of Technology and Engineering (Dr.Techn.) and Doctor of Science (Dr. Scient.) from Aalborg University and holds the Ph.D. in Urban Geography and Planning from Aarhus University, Denmark. He was twice a Visiting Fulbright Scholar to the USA, where he did research at the University of California at Los Angeles and Berkeley and at Harvard University.

    Here is where you can get his book - that's where I got the quote. http://www.amazon.com/Megaprojects-Risk-Ambitio...

    But Danny Westneat did an article back in April on him titled: Tunnel's Cost may fool us all http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywest...
  • What is a Bent Flyberg, what organizations is he tied to and why didn't you provide any links if you were able to quote that verbatim?
  • Susanneston
    Gomez, that's very optimistic of you - no reason to draw any conclusions, but this might just be the tip of the iceberg.

    According to Oxford University's Bent Flyvberg's research on mega-transportation projects all over the world, "Cost underestimation and overrun cannot be explained by error and seem to be best explained by strategic misrepresentation, namely lying, with a view to getting projects started."

    WSDOT is no exception.
  • Discussing what to do going forward infers that we've drawn a firm conclusion from what was discussed here.

    You and ECB seem to assume there's a firm conclusion here, but I don't believe this is and given the comments here, neither do many others. Even Cary's response to the piece seems rather subdued for someone who's been fighting against this project for years. This piece looks more like a hatchet job than an objective analysis.

    I don't think it's appropriate to move forward until we can conclude that the fix was definitely in. I am not nearly convinced that ECB and SCAT did not take these series of conversations out of context to suit their ends.
  • Susanneston
    Gomez, you suggest that we only discuss what has already happened, but it is also important to consider what will happen going forward.

    Now that we are finding out that the process for coming up with the estimates was corrupted. And we now know that Seattle shouldn't automatically have to pay for parts of the tunnel project like the utility relocation, it puts a lot of questions into the air - there is a city council meeting on Monday for example.

    The current mayor of Seattle did sign off on this bad deal for our city. Did he know about all this and will our next mayor care enough to protect Seattle citizens from further poor bargains?

    Turns out McGinn has been asking all of the right questions all along. Mallahan was just following the money without asking questions.
  • Whether or not the tunnel issue has everything to do with the Mayor's race, Susan, the Mayor's race has nothing to do with this discussion. This post calls into question the tunnel planning process, a process neither Mayoral candidate has had any role in.

    If you want to discuss the Mayor's race, that's fine, but that discussion belongs somewhere else. We're talking about the WSDOT's civil engineering process with the tunnel.
  • Susanneston
    Gomez,
    Disclosure: I saw your cute remark, but this discussion has everything to do with the mayor's race. If Mallahan gets in, WSDOT and the legislature will get to stick Seattle's working families with whatever they want.

    Mallahan has gone through this entire election season and in forum after forum he hasn't questioned anything about the tunnel - he's been a yes man all the way so you bet it is relevant to this discussion.
  • Susan, sorry that you missed it, but let me post it again:

    Joe Mallahan’s ability to do anything has nothing to do with the argument ECB, SCAT, PWC and whoever else is involved is trying to make with this accusatory piece about the tunnel project.

    ECB is making an argument about the tunnel, not about the Mayor's race. The Mayor (whoever it is) may ultimately have to get involved, but this piece and the discussion has solely to do with the engineering process involved with the tunnel, and doubts as to its validity. Stay on topic.
  • Susanneston
    Gomez,
    Disclosure: Joe Mallahan thinks he can manage WSDOT and bring this project in on budget. Mayors don't manage WSDOT and the numbers are cooked so nobody can bring this project in on this make believe budget.
  • Disclosure: Joe Mallahan's ability to do anything has nothing to do with the argument ECB, SCAT, PWC and whoever else is involved is trying to make with this accusatory piece about the tunnel project.
  • Susanneston
    Gomez,
    Disclosure: Mallahan is backed by those that will profit most from this boondoggle big dig. The rich getting richer, just like MBA George Bush.
  • Susanneston
    Gomez,
    Disclosure: Mallahan doesn't even know that the Washington State Department of Transportation does not report to the mayor of Seattle.
  • Disclosure: Cary's not an engineer. She's a landscape/urban planner, which is a little less involved with the sort of structural engineering process that goes into a public works project of this scope.

    And oh by the way she also has a vested interest against the tunnel.
  • Timothy
    @59 Cary for the WIN!
  • Susanneston
    Another thought on the point that WSDOT shifted an extra $100 million onto Seattle taxpayers for moving the utilities from their roadway - Our city had to make deep cuts and deplete most of the rainy day fund to make up for a $72 million budget shortfall. An extra $100 million is a really big deal.
  • Cary
    Maybe there is no single smoking gun that emerged from these documents -- but there are A LOT of shortcuts being taken in the planning/ information sharing about this big and risky megaproject. In more normal transportation planning reality, if people were not exhausted from 8 years of fighting, the situation would be more like this:

    - The state would be as circumspect and cautious in their depiction of costs as they were in the first go-round, where they presented the range of costs, using the 10% to 90% CVEP numbers which are more like $1.6 billion to $3.0 billion, according to the Bored Tunnel Briefing Memo. Not picking a number on the low side because their PR person urged them to do so.
    - The elected leaders would be more likely to heed the project lead for WSDOT, David Dye, when he said on December 11 regarding the single-bore tunnel: "And so it's a cold dose of fiscal reality that I guess I'm the one who has to bring the bucket and pour on this.... But it is out of reach in the current state of affairs to make it happen."
    - The Governor/ Judy Clibborn would not have to 'trick' legislators into signing the funding authorization by inserting a deceptive / unenforceable clause insisting Seattle citizens will have to pay for cost overruns.
    - A decision would not be announced and pursued full steam ahead in advance of the EIS release, where cost, overrun risks, negative impacts to local traffic are quantified, explained and publicly understood.
    - The EIS would also carry the S/T/5 hybrid and elevated hybrid alternatives forward too, recognizing that these were the alternatives recommended in the 2008 process, given that the tunnel has a lot of known risks, and may prove to be too expensive. Especially since an EIS is supposed to consider all reasonable alternatives, and S/T/5 as a package has not been studied in any EIS.
    - Local Seattle electeds would be carefully watching out for risks to local neighborhoods, additional costs to local taxpayers, and negative traffic impacts on city streets -- and taking action to protect Seattle's interests.
    - Seattle and King County electeds would be fighting to get the promised $190 million in new transit service which is crucial for all the local trips the bypass tunnel doesn't serve.
    - Politicians and WSDOT would not be strategically delaying information (do you know the tolling rates, and that 35% to 40% of tunnel trips are expected to divert to Seattle city streets due to toll avoidance?) and downplaying risks (like physical risks to Pioneer Square) or stating publicly "I want to get all these projects to the point of no return", like Jan Drago did.
    - And perhaps there would even be an Expert Review Panel still in place doing oversight (they were dismissed in 2007) or a stakeholder-based public process, like in 2008, so the Seattle public didn't have to rely on lawsuits and Public Disclosure Requests to learn what is happening.

    So whatever side of this debate you're on, you have to admit much is still unknown. We ALL have to do a better job watching out for Seattle interests in this.
  • 54. Erica's article is based in large part on SCAT's interpretation of the e-mails (since they share the same view on the AWV debate and had the same intent in referencing these docs), and any reading she's done on the subject was done to find arguments for a predetermined conclusion.
  • Susanneston
    Stacy, I don't think they like that the facts are being brought to light on the tunnel estimates. Even the part that Seattle is supposed to pay, like moving the utility lines. Apparently that was originally fro WSDOT to pay, not Seattle!

    The state shifted $100 million to the city’s portion of the funding, allowing WSDOT to shave off that $100 million.

    That's part of the $930 million that Mallahan keeps agreeing should be Seattle's "generational responsibility."
  • Stacy
    Hey Stacy x3 and the rest of team Mallahan, where did you go? Got some calls in to the pro-tunnel establishment trying to figure out how to spin this one? We miss you, come out and play.
  • "Deep-Bore Tunnel: Unintelligent Design"
  • Susanneston
    Mickymse, please re-read Erica's article. Rather than appointing actual experts on tunnel costs, WSDOT appointed Discovery Institute people.

    Rather than doing as directed and studying the surface/transit/I-5 option, WSDOT they instead looked at what would happen if the viaduct was taken down and not replaced with anything (and by the way, I think this might be where Mallahan got his incorrect talking points about traffic without the tunnel)
  • Mickymse
    I've got to agree with the folks questioning this story, Erica; and it's hardly a secret that I oppose the tunnel.

    It sounds like there might be some questions about how budget numbers were adjusted, and whether or not they were based on data or a need to fit into what was politically acceptable...

    But I don't object to "pro-tunnel" folks being consulted on the planning for the project any more than I would object to WSDOT listening to Cary Moon and others about planning for the surface/transit/I-5 proposal.

    Why wouldn't you talk to folks who have already studied the options? Why wouldn't you speak to folks with a vested interest in building the option?

    I don't see any suggestion in your writing up above that the data is flawed, or that it fails to make sense to unbiased observers. If that's your thesis, then you need to do some more reporting.

    If your piece is simply that pro-tunnel groups provided data for the tunnel proposal, then I think you're grasping at straws.
  • Mikos
    Although politics pervade all of government and that's not necessarily a bad thing, when Gregoire got the ability to hire and fire the transportation secretary, the potential for political shenanigans increased ten-fold. The next bit of statistical distortion will be the study that's supposed to show much money tolling the tunnel can earn. All of DOTs previous studies show tolling is problematic because drivers have other (free) options. I suspect, however, the tolling study will show that the project can, in fact, earn the $400 million it needs to pencil out the cost. Look fo rit in late December or early January.
  • Pete
    Didn't I ignore this story yesterday? You guys had your chance to endorce Elizabeth Cambell back in the primary...
  • Commentator
    Also, can someone dig further into how the Port is going to come up with $300 MM? Where do the candidates stand on forming a LID? The comment above is the first time I've seen this mentioned.
  • Commentator
    I think this is pretty serious stuff. I am glad Erica is digging into it. It will be interesting to see what WSDOT's response is, if any.

    The Drago comments are indeed chilling. "I want the projects to advance" is not what we need. We need "I want the projects to be cost effective and a good deal for taxpayers" is what we need.
  • Susanneston
    Morgan @46 is right, maybe WSDOT didn't get memo. But still, that seems unlikely. What is their excuse for not studying the surface/I-5/transit option?
  • Mr. X
    ...and the Discovery Institute has built how many tunnels again?

    Oh yeah, that's right - ZERO. Could someone explain to me why a resolutely anti-science (ie - creationist) outfit was enlisted to do a supposedly scientific analysis of the deep bore tunnel option?

    (PS - I personally prefer the tunnel to the so-called "Surface/Transit" plan, but this definitely stinks to high heaven).
  • morgan
    I'm surprised that the DEIS didn't even study the foremost recommendation of the stakeholder group--the sureface/I-5/transt option. That's bogus. It was even WSDOT's prefered alternative, until the Gov's deal w/ Ron and Greg.

    Measuring cars - WSDOT is still probably the more car centric agency, and cultural change will be slow there. They have no purpose of existence but to build more roads.

    And, it's odd how we have state legislation mandating reductions in vehicle travel, but we have an agency facilitating VMT growth.
  • @41 ftw!
  • cudgel
    This is a political project, not a civil engineering or infrastructure project. It's OK. Our betters have decided on a tunnel and we all just have to build it and pay for it. It's what is best for us. Really. Let's not be troublemakers.
  • adam
    It's true that this is terribly one-sided, and a full analysis would be incomplete without understanding what (if anything) WSDOT did correctly about the process.

    Corporate collusion, penny-pinching politics, interference from right-wing think tanks -- sounds like politics as usual. But who's to blame, and how to fix it? Can the state say to WSDOT that their EIS was biased and incomplete? Would it be outrageous then for the state to have an independent EIS of its own? If political interference seems to be as rampant as this report suggests, is it reasonable to clean house at WSDOT (after further due diligence, of course)?

    The big question is then this: if WSDOT was in bed with Cascadia, who takes the blame, and is it too late to prevent an impending mess? Sure, the tunnel is an issue, but I'm more alarmed at the incompetence in the halls of decision-makers.
  • Blau blau fucking blau. This is more of the same mouse milking and hair splitting obstructionism by the in the tank anti tunnel advocates who want to conjecture on the issue until the cows come home or the viaduct collapse, but not necessarily in that order.

    Build baby build!
  • cudgel
    Seattle needs to build this tunnel. It will be woefully inadequate and insanely expensive. But like the Lake Union trolley, it's part of our character to do things like this. It's what keeps us backward, provincial and quaint. We need to be who we are: the little city that couldn't. Doing things right just isn't politically expedient. I say close a few more schools and fire stations and build it. Affirm our city as a great cautionary tale to other municipalities as a perfect example of how not to do things. Lets get digging Seattle!
  • One addendum: This is not to say the premise of this article is absolutely false. There may in fact be a story here. But what we're getting is one side of the story, from PsOV with a clear personal interest in attacking WSDOT's plan.

    This material really should be bounced off astute and observant 3rd parties that don't share that interest. If indeed a more objective reading can determine the fix was in, great, but that reading needs to take place before one ought to draw such a conclusion.

    And I shouldn't be surprised, but there doesn't appear to be any effort on the part of anyone involved to contact WSDOT or anyone else involved to confirm/deny any of the statements given.
  • Lisa
    McGinn's looking like a winner
  • 32. Having known you and your work for a while, you read it with the intent to interpret the document in a very distinct manner.

    Not having the sort of vested interest in taking anything out of context that you or SCAT do, I'm going to give it a read myself, because I smell a rat, and it's not WSDOT's.

    You're better than this, Erica.
  • SaucyB
    bravo for this reporting work. sadly, i'm not surprised about the cover ups.
  • swatter
    Same goes for the fix the viaduct versus replace viaduct options. They had the replace viaduct consultants do the cost analysis. A hundred million or more in design fees were at stake.

    Their answer: fix was cheaper but not by much.

    What do you expect? We had a Democrat for Governor and staffed accordingly. Time for a change of at least one four year cycle.
  • on board
    this is a non story, but has been huffed and puffed in a way that people will think it is.
  • abc
    The state Department of Transportation relied heavily on outside advice from the Cascadia Center, the transportation wing of the Discovery Institute, to come up with estimates of how much to include for risk and contingency in the budget for the tunnel.

    Life is getting better all the time - a truly objective news source and faith based transportation.
  • Heffran
    @31

    I think it makes sense -- we can't have our mayor chaining himself to the tunnel machine. And as Erica's reporting shows, asking questions reveals some real dirt here. McGinn's tough questions might save us yet.
  • Erica C. Barnett
    @27: Huh? I took several days to read all the documents. Read MF YESTERDAY. Due diligence: Done.
  • Jason Sykes
    Out of curiousity, do people think this makes McGinn's "I oppose the tunnel but I won't obstruct it"-stance more respectable or less?
  • sarah68
    20. ian says: Most people thinking burying cars underground is a good thing.

    But not permanently.
  • vlado
    Erica, I'm disappointed that you are so fixated on a political outcome that you are ready to sacrifice integrity. Remember you are journalist after all, you need to at least try. I was in the middle of this whole process as a citizen, and there was no "fix", that is just plain silly. The only deception that I noted in the extensive process was some bogus metrics that were used for the discredited surface option, which eventually collapsed of its own weight.

    The Stakeholders Advisory Committee had as broad a range of interests as could have been assembled in a group of 30, and we had full access to any and all information relating to this project. Everything was recorded and available to the public. The only scandal here is your lack of journalistic integrity.
  • And go figure there's 26 comments behind me and most are just taking the given interpretation verbatim as undisputed fact, never minding that any regurgitation of the details was done by people who read the material with a definite bias towards a desired conclusion.

    Learn to think a little more critically, guys. If anything, McGinn's public capitulation makes a little more sense, especially if he knew SCAT was going to drop their report publically within the week.
  • These e-mails, in sum, are hundreds of pages long. How did Erica read hundreds of pages of e-mails in an evening quickly enough to draw the conclusion she has planted onto this post?

    Here's the long answer: She didn't. She's going off the arguments made by SCAT (Seattle Citizens Against the Tunnel), which collected and referenced these e-mails with a clear and obvious agenda.

    ECB calls it 'blatant advocacy'. By that definition, any engineer that proposes an idea at any time in a problem-solving process is practicing 'blatant advocacy'. I would know the following because I studied civil engineering for a spell and studied research processes: Engineers work off of precedent and history as much as they work off of science. Of course they come to the table with an existing idea. They have to, in order to avoid doing work that's already been done, and they've already got enough to do.

    I mean... I don't know how much of these attacks ECB is basing verbatim off of what was actually written, and how much are just conclusions she or SCAT have elected to draw. Other than maybe WSDOT, the only other parties that have perused these pages in full are SCAT, and they clearly have an agenda. I think SCAT and ECB are hoping that their critics see the daunting volume of material and just don't bother to read it closely enough to see what (not if anything) was taken out of context and how.

    The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. No one's twirling curly Q's into their handlebar mustaches at WSDOT and no one's judging solutions to the viaduct problem based on neutral, unbiased criteria in a vacuum. The latter is unrealistic given the needs and expectations of engineers (remember, whatever the State elects to do, they have to make it work with the grid, or they will lose their careers). The former is more likely a product of fantasy than what actually happened.

    This needs a closer look than it's received by anyone other than SCAT, which has a clear and distinct goal in mind. If I have to be the one that does it, I will.
  • The Big D
    I say we just start over with this tunnel thing. I have been saying since that lady with the stroler almost got hit that the structural analysis of the viaduct had to have been spun in favor of replacement.

    Let's leave it up and have anyone that wants to drive on it sign a waiver. I will be the first to sign cause it's safe.
  • Susanneston
    Mr. Barker, just so you know - last night in the KING 5 debate when Mallahan was asked point blank if he would still move forward with the tunnel even if Seattle has to pay for all of the cost overruns he said, "I think I’ve been crystal clear on this the answer is yes."

    Mallahan will force the tunnel no matter the cost. He's rich so he is unconcerned about cost overruns, but for regular people, paying off an extra 1 or 2 billion dollars in cost overruns will be onerous.
  • Deep Throat
    @19--details? OK, here goes:

    2.13 billion minus 0.25 billion = roughly 1.9 billion.
  • bulgy eyes
    Blah, blah, blah. More shitty reporting that nobody cares about. Is the Discovery Institute really the biggest bogeyman you can conjure up? Jeebus. If this is the "big story" Erica's been working on, what a massive let down.

    Your time would have been better spent looking into a real email scandle, like, Dow Constantine's "I am fully prepared to vote against the flood district" and put public safety on the line, in order to get my boondoggle pet project rammed through.
  • Just so McGinn is not, again, shocked by things commonly known, the coucill will vote Monday on the Viaduct replacement.
    The Seattle City Council Committee of the Whole Alaskan Way Viaduct/Seawall will be meeting on Monday, October 26, 2009 at 2:30 p.m. The agenda is attached and copied below.

    The agenda is also available online:
    http://www.seattle.gov/council/agendasc/viaduct...      

    Everybody play along with Mike when he finds out, look a little sad, or something.
  • 15, I know why they put it in, and I know it is unconstitutional.

    All kinds of things are put into bills to make people happy, that does not make it legal. That means court action could be required. I am okwith that.
  • ian
    Why are you people so freaked out by a tunnel? Have you ever left the west coast? Ever been to Europe? Where I grew up we had tunnels everywhere and nobody thought twice about it. Most people thinking burying cars underground is a good thing.
  • 16, there is a 300 million dollar lid from the Port, as well. Details.
  • 12, I save hundereds of thousands of dollars every year off scoping estimates. Yes, there are two sides. One where somebody imagines all kinds of things happening at once, in the most expensive manor. Somebody thinks that is the project scope. Then, the reality of a giant number causes people to find other ways to reach similar goals, with loss cost. In my business, this is when my phone rings.

    If you gather emails from every large scale project I have ever been involved with (none of it public), much of the churning looks a LOT like the stuff fed to Erica.
  • AJ
    @13, no, that's not what Kastama is saying at all. Read it again.
  • Deep Throat
    There’s less here than meets the eye on cost estimates. The WSDOT folks are talking about the estimated cost for the *state* of the tunnel, not the estimated cost of the *tunnel itself*. Utility costs were reduced because the City agreed to pick them up, all $250 million or so. That had never been resolved before, and once Nickels agreed—presto!—there was a big—and entirely un-mysterious—cost reduction. This was clear when the division of costs were announced earlier this year.
  • Susanneston
    @13 so you really think the state legislature is going to just simply sit down and take the cost overruns back that they foisted on us? Making Seattle pay was the only way they got that Big Dig bill to pass.

    Listen to the Dave Ross interview: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archi...
  • Mouth Agape
    Look. I don't deny that the electeds who convened this group wanted a tunnel. The idea that this was supposed to be a completely open process that led to a mythical, magical "right" answer is a false premise. So if that's your standard for feeling scandalized, then be my guest.

    But as for wrestling with costs and risks and various groups that have input, this all sounds very mundane. If you were to query the document and e-mail trail of any major project, I'm sure you could lift quotes here and there to connect dots in sinister-sounding ways. That doesn't make it sinister.

    9-0, folks + Mayor whose guts Council allegedly hates. If There was a fix in, it was the broadest possible fix by duly elected representatives, so why are you so conspiratorial about it?
  • @9, they would have to change the state constitution.
  • Susanneston
    @10, So there are two sides to changing cost estimate calculations to make them look smaller in order to shove an expensive plan through and pass the overruns on to unsuspecting Seattleites?

    I wonder how many legislators knew about this.
  • geology 101
    viafuct.
  • Well, at least Erica was fed one side of a story.
  • Susanneston
    This information is especially interesting when combined with the interview on the Dave Ross show today where Sen. Kastama said that the only way our state legislature passed the Big Dig bill was to shove the cost overruns onto Seattle & that Seattle will have to pay.

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archi...
  • Ryan M
    Further evidence that the highway-industrial complex will do anything to get their precious tunnel. Good thing that Joe Mallahan refuses to ask any questions about the project or the potential cost-overruns.
  • Mouth Agape- this amounts to a faked public process, not at all the "normal back and forth."

    I predict this scandal spreads (and rightly).
  • A big, fat, duh.

    But I like still like the story written by C.R. Douglas, back in January, and the soft-focus photo of Jan Drago.

    “I want to get all these projects to the point of no return,” she says, referring to the Viaduct, the Streetcar network, Mercer Street, and some other transportation items now in play.

    http://crosscut.com/2009/01/16/seattle-city-hal...

    And, who is the Transportation Chair?

    The only real question I have had is why is dunbass McGinn shocked that the Council "rushed" this to a vote?
    Has not met Jan Drago?
    Or, did he latch on to a popular enough topic to carry him this far in the election.

    There is a lot of detail here about something that was really clear several months ago.

    They really do know how much just the tunnel will cost. It is the rest of that crap you should question, the same Seattle owned crap that either candidate is would be on the hook for, with, or without, the tunnel.
  • Uptight Ballardite
    You guys need to give this another read. These documents strongly imply that WSDOT and its collaborators purposefully lowered their cost estimates in order to get the tunnel project to fit within the State's pre-ordained $2.4 Billion budget.

    Strategic misrepresentation of the facts in order to get the project started. Get it to the point of no return, and then we have to finish it, cost overruns be damned.

    Say, isn't Seattle on the hook for all cost overruns?

    This deal sucks.
  • hannah
    Does anyone else find it alarming that costs and timelines were "adjusted" to better fit budgets?! And now, it turns out Seattle will bear the cost of all overruns? I'm sorry these poeople have no idea how much it is going to cost.
  • Whoops...

    Lots to dig into here, and I'm guessing it's not the end of the revelations that will come out of this disclosure.
  • Mouth Agape
    Meh. No big bombshells here. Sounds like the typical back and forth you'd expect from a large group working on a complex task. You'd be wise to be a little less breathless in your reporting, Erica.
  • hmmmm
    Proof that the suit isn't serious, but is a publicity stunt. Why else would a plantiff release all of their records, selectively, to a media outlet that is guaranteed to spin the story in their favor? Wouldn't they want to keep their documentation under wraps?

    Once all the facts come out, we will see that this is just a bigger example of what we have already seen on Publicola...coordinated propaganda.
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