City Attorney: PubliCola Picks Tom Carr

By PublicolaPicks, Monday, October 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM
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City Attorney Tom Carr has made his share of mistakes, several of them with serious, lasting consequences. He spearheaded the disastrous “Operation Sobering Thought,” a club crackdown that resulted in zero convictions. (The questionable sting was needlessly aggressive and may have violated bar employees’ civil rights. Ironically, the sting also may have put the city’s efforts to prevent clubs from serving minors back a decade, by making city officials skeptical of Carr’s efforts and fostering even more mistrust between club owners and the city attorney).

Carr also opposed I-75, the initiative that made pot prosecutions the city’s lowest law-enforcement priority, and opposes decriminalization of marijuana. He prosecuted a public-records case that created broad new exemptions to public disclosure of government records. And he defended the since-overturned car-impound ordinance, which allowed police to impound cars owned by people whose licenses had been suspended for minor traffic infractions.

However—misguided civility laws aside—in his eight years in office, Carr has implemented some of the most innovative law-enforcement tactics in the nation. In 2005, thanks to Carr’s efforts, the city opened its first community court, which gives habitual petty criminals access to services and treatment instead of jail time. He also pushed for day reporting for low-level offenses, and for the creation of a “john school” to educate clients of prostitutes about the negative consequences of participating in sex trade. Thanks largely to alternatives to incarceration Carr has supported, the number of Seattle inmates in King County Jail has declined from 409 on average to 254.

And despite his anti-pot perspective, Carr has also pushed for alternatives to incarceration for minor drug offenses. This year, he implemented a new “drug market initiative,” which lets small-time dealers off the hook if they agree to stay off the streets. (It also gives dealers access to social services). The program, which enrolled 16 dealers this year (5 of whom have since been arrested and charged), has reduced drug dealing noticeably in the city’s East Precinct.

Finally, Carr’s approach to domestic violence prosecutions has been creative and aggressive. In addition to putting domestic violence advocates inside the city attorney’s office (a system modeled on one put in place by the late King County District Attorney Norm Maleng), Carr dedicated a prosecutor to the top 25 most frequent domestic violence offenders, targeting them the way he targeted the city’s top-25 most prolific auto thieves. At the same time, he created a program to give batterers a chance to stay out of jail in exchange for attending classes on domestic-violence preventions.

Carr’s opponent, Pete Holmes, talks up his work on police accountability (as head of the Office of Professional Accountability Review Board, he led the push for police watchdogs to win access to unredacted files in police misconduct investigations) and civil rights (accusing Carr of arresting people for minor offenses, such as stealing a can of tuna). The infamous “tuna case” involved a man who had amassed 50 misdemeanor convictions in Seattle Municipal Court, eight misdemeanor convictions in other jurisdictions, and six felony convictions at King County. That’s on top of 40 other arrests that didn’t lead to convictions. The total cost to taxpayers? Tens of thousands of dollars in arrest, court, and jail costs. By refusing to tell both sides of the story, Holmes damages his credibility.

Indeed, when you take a complete look  at Carr’s record, Holmes’ exaggerated charges lose  their potency. As we noted, Carr has done more to push alternatives to incarceration than any other city attorney in Seattle’s history.

Holmes has made it clear he would drastically change the city attorney’s job description—from the lawyer for the city to the “representative of the people.”  That sounds noble in theory, but in practice, it would make Holmes a poor representative of the city’s interests.

A defendant wouldn’t hire an attorney who wouldn’t promise to represent his interests. Nor should we hire a city attorney who will have to defend a city he may disagree with on purely political grounds—however righteous those grounds may be.

Holmes’ inexperience has led him to take some positions on the campaign trail we find both questionable and misguided. For example, he has said repeatedly that one of his first acts in office will be to move advocates for domestic violence victims out of the city attorney’s office and into a nongovernmental organization. Holmes says this move would allow the domestic violence advocate to be “independent from the prosecution” and lead to more reliable, objective testimony from DV victims. We think it would lead to less funding for domestic violence advocates (because social services tend to get cut before law enforcement), as well as less thoughtful domestic violence prosecutions.

According to knowledgeable attorneys and sources within the city, the reason victims’ advocates were put inside the city attorney’s office in the first place is because victims often need help and support navigating through what can be an extremely intimidating and confusing legal process. Additionally, DV prosecutors can make a better case, both in legal terms and for the victim, if they have direct access to advocates on a daily basis, not just in court.

Holmes has also opposed Carr’s push to make it a misdemeanor to kill or maim a cyclist or pedestrian with a car. Currently, only drivers who are drunk or acting with reckless disregard for safety can be prosecuted—a high bar. Holmes says the city should spend money educating drivers and cyclists on traffic laws instead of prosecuting drivers who kill. We disagree—as does the Cascade Bicycle Club, which has endorsed Carr, citing his strong record of fighting for cyclists’ rights.

But if our concerns about Carr are about what he has done, our concerns about his opponent, Pete Holmes, are about what he hasn’t done. Holmes, an activist and bankruptcy attorney who hasn’t practiced law in seven years (citing a need to stop taking on private clients when he joined OPARB), has exactly zero experience prosecuting cases—the primary job of the city attorney. Carr hadn’t run a prosecutor’s office when he won his race in 2001, either, but he spent four years as an assistant US attorney investigating organized crime cases.

Despite our differences on some political issues, we believe Carr has the experience, insight, and dedication to the office to deserve another four years as city attorney.

PubliCola picks Tom Carr.

  • Alki_T
    Carr is an innovator. I don't agree with his decisions on Operation Sobering Thought, but he is a passionate and thoughful advocate in areas like domestic violence, homelessness and addiction. In the end, that wins it for me. Good work Publicola.
  • Amazed
    I'm astounded by the Holmes supporters after reading this blog. I agree with 67 that the facts speak for themselves, but the Holmes supporters continue to misstate the facts and from their fervency would have the rest of us think that Seattle enjoys no civility, no personal liberties, and that there's a cop on every corner waiting to entrap or beat up a citizen. They obviously need to explore the world outside of the bubble of Seattle. Things are pretty good here. It's a pretty nice place to live. What then is motivating this hate of government? Is it a general lawlessness? General Anti-Government posture? I mean, it's not like there's a pattern of persecuting and targeting single individuals using all avenues the government could use, e.g., wiretapping, illegal entrapment, false arrest, etc., etc. Making sure nightclubs operate legally? What's the problem with that? Male nudity in a bar prohibited? Grow up. I just moved here last year. You people have no idea how bad things are elsewhere. Your viewpoints are in the small minority. Want to make a better world? Do something that really matters. Stop wasting time supporting the nightclub industry.
  • Scott
    k @67:

    I agree that Meinart's ad revenue threat is not helpful to the tenor of this conversation, although I generally agree with his other points. I also apologize if you find the tone of some of the Holmes supporters "bullying," but if you read the tone of the Carr supporters' comments, you will probably note that a number of the pro-Carr comments use equally (if not more) bullying language. See, for example, @26, 52, 59, 66.

    In any event, don't judge the candidates by the language their supporters use in anonymous or pseudonomous blog comments. Rather, if you review some of the more substantive pro-Holmes comments (see mine @ 9, 20, 23, 39, Sorrytony @ 29, 60, Gnossos @ 42, 45, 2001 voters pamphlet @ 33, Toby Thaler @37, Clyde @46, Glenn Fleishman @ 151, 48, Elsa @21), you'll see that the arguments in favor of Holmes are far stronger than the arguments in favor of Carr.
  • k
    Yeesh, Meinert! You're a good guy, but ad revenue is a terrible reason to endorse any candidates. I haven't decided who i'm voting for, and was leaning toward holmes, but the tenor of the discussion amongst holmes supporters--this kind of bullying rhetoric--is really making me rethink a lot of things.
  • toldyouso
    Sorrytony@61 Nice Freudian Slip, there! Holmes is the master of half truths, innuendos, and lies. It's convenient for you to change in para 2 @60 the "I don't see where Holmes lies" to "it isn't relevant to his point anyway." You must work for his campaign. LOL. Election watcher still rocks!
  • Scott
    @64: "The electorate should focus on the details and performance of a candidate, not sit around and sling mud and be contentious about issues that don’t effect directly the performance of a job." Right. And if you look at Carr's actual performance in office and the details thereof -- $50,000 on Sobering Thought, Sobering Thoughts II, asking for 9 months (at a cost of $10,000+) for tuna theft, prosecuting marijuana cases after the voters told him not to, etc. -- he does not deserve to be re-elected. That's why I'm voting for Holmes
  • Gnarly Mountain Man
    Now that I've read all 63 of the comments I find myself shocked by the apparent lack of social skills most commentors have.

    Good grief, look at the performance of Carr, versus the non-performance of Holmes and that says it all.

    Are we gonna make the same mistake with the City Attorney's election that we made with the Presidential election------for those who can't connect the dots-------by electing an unknown commodity!

    The electorate should focus on the details and performance of a candidate, not sit around and sling mud and be contentious about issues that don't effect directly the performance of a job.
  • Scott
    Sorrytony @63: I think Electionwatcher is alluding the the Pflaummer/Carroll endorsement of Carr. But as you note, other people from the OPA board/office have endorsed Holmes. Which I think reflects the fact that Holmes and Carr had significant policy disagreements while Holmes was on the OPA board -- some people from OPA share Holmes's viewpoint, and others share Carr's.
  • sorrytony
    And one more correction @ 60: I just re-checked my memory about the Sam Pailca contribution. She actually contributed to Nick Licata (who led the Council's effort to support the Review Board by ensuring they were indemnified if they released their reports), not Holmes. While I was checking, I looked to see if any of the former OPARD members had contributed to Carr. No. Not getting where election watcher's statement about them supporting Carr is coming from.
  • sorrytony
    Sorry, in previous post, para 2, I meant there is NO dishonesty by Holmes.
  • sorrytony
    @59: thank you for the response, election watcher.

    Your relative who works for the city knows some odd facts. Pete Holmes's colleagues on the OPA Review Board were Lynn Iglitzin and John Ross(initially), Brad Moericke (a cop, now the deputy chief of police in Sumner), and Sheley Secrest, an attorney. They were advised by Dr. Michael Pendleton, whom the City paid to advise the volunteer board. If you check Holmes's endorsement list, Moericke and Pendleton have endorsed Holmes. (As has retired SPD Captain Tom Byers, interestingly.) Secrest, Ross & Iglitzin do not appear on Carr's endorsement list. Your assertion is incorrect. Interestingly, Sam Pailca, the highly respected first Director of the Office of Professional Accountability, has contributed to the Holmes campaign.

    I fail to see where Holmes "lied" about the tuna thief's criminal record. The record wasn't relevant to his point, in any event. I think Holmes position is that, regardless of his record, it would accomplish nothing to put the guy in jail for 9 months, as Carr's office requested (the judge refused to accept this recommendation). We might as well take that money & purchase tuna insurance for all the groceries in Seattle, and we would have a lot left over. I understand that Carr's position is that the tuna guy had a long record & deserved 9 months in jail. That's a policy disagreement. There is dishonesty by Holmes. Carr was initially dishonest that he had no idea what people were talking about re the tuna case, because (as the Stranger documented I believe) Carr wrote a memo about the case to the City Council defending his 9 month recommendation at length.

    Finally, Holmes's finest moment at the KCBA debate at the library was when he pointed out that the police guild might oppose him, but they can't say he doesn't care about cops' perspective. He pointed out that as an OPARB member he went on ride alongs with every precinct, he attended role calls at every precinct, in every shift, he took every "cop's viewpoint" training anyone offered. The bottom line appears to me to be that SPOG is indignant that there was, for a brief moment in Seattle history (seemingly gone now), something approaching civilian review of police misconduct allegations. Holmes is just the face of that. No one seems able to say that there is any particular thing Holmes did in that capacity that was offensive to cops. Just being there & doing his job was offensive to cops. I have a big problem with that.
  • election watcher
    Sorrytony and Scott and all those gullible, ignorant folks out there who believe quite mistakenly that Holmes is the right man for the job: here goes... on the lies and half-truths from Holmes. I've been to several live debates and heard these lies straight from his lips, and I have a relative who works for the City who goes with me and knows the inner workings of the City and it's budgeting process and public policy-making process.

    Lie # 1: At the Seattle Public Library (WSBA debate) Holmes said that he was responsible for 29 recommendations to police accountability -- flat out lie -- he wasn't even invited to be on that committee but takes credit!! What nerve!! For the fact checkers out there --Holmes was actually so divisive on the OPARB board that the Mayor's office had to pay a pretty penny for counseling for them to try to get along. Perhaps that's the reason his colleagues on that same board endorsed Carr?

    Oh and in that debate Holmes also tried to pretend that the head of SPOG and he were ok with each other. I went to the SPOG head and he laughed saying that Holmes twisted his words and there was no shaking of hands or patting of backs etc. Quite sad that Holmey boy has to make up crap about being buddies with an organization that despises him don't you think?

    Lie # 2: Holmes said at the recent Wallingford candidate forum that Carr was responsible for the jail budget -- again, flat out lie -- Carr's office is not responsible for the jail budget. Once again Holmes is only showing his total ignorance of the budget process. The fact that Holmes brags about having one case that is larger that Carr's budget doesn't say anything of his ability to manage an office budget. The City does hundreds of cases that result in millions of dollars -- case in point Sonics which got the City $75 mil. If Holmes is going to compare his cases with that of the City Attorney's, let him compare apples with apples. I thought that comparison was quite pathetically hilarious too!

    Half truth: Tuna fish story -- need I say more? Erica and Nina Shapiro illuminated that defendant's criminal history and if the guy spewing "fact-checking" did his own fact checking he would know that the tuna fish stealer's criminal hisotry is available to anyone who wants to check the Seattle Municipal Court's public website by plugging in the defendant's name.

    Nuff sed, I could go on but I have a life to get back to. So to all those ignorant ranters and ravers of the Holmes campaign, you'll should get your facts straight, including Mr. Hoilmes himself.
  • sorrytony
    conspicuous lack of followup to specific questions (@55) about these claims about Pete Holmes. Election Watcher @ 52 hasn't identified a lie or half truth told by Holmes (because there aren't any), while many of the Carr claims are demonstrably false.

    toldyouso @57, can you identify actual positions of Pete Holmes's that are "anti-cop" or "anti-law and order?" Or are you just against Holmes because, as a citizen volunteer, he responded to the City of Seattle's call for help establishing a modest civilian oversight structure? Are you against civilian oversight of police conduct? Or is there some specific action of Holmes's that aggrieves you? Pray tell.
  • toldyouso
    election watcher rocks! Too bad that the city council distrusts Holmes so much that it's considering absorbing the City Attorney's office if he gets elected. I mean, really, he hasn't even practiced law for the last 7 years and claims to have 25 years experience being a lawyer. How can this man possibly have an iota of qualification to add to his lack of credibility? Oh, that's right. He's anti-law and order, anti-cop, and pro-nightclub industry. I get it now.
  • Toby Thaler
    #52--Well, your first few sentences make some sense, but it was downhill from there. Your post exemplifies the debasement of the level of discourse that often occurs when people post anonymously. Do you have a clue how unconvincing your commentary is with respect to Carr v Holmes? No? Didn't think so. Try not calling people liars with a broad brush, condemning people by association, judging them by the newspaper they read, or commenting on the presumed olfactory qualities of their anuses.
  • sorrytony
    @52--please state the lie or half truth you believe Holmes has committed.
  • lame
    Based on Publicola's tweet today about how many comments there are on this endorsement, and Erica Barnett's boyfriend's tweet that he is voting for Carr just because Carr is pro-bike, and the lack of fact-checking and consideration of the anti drinking, homophobic things Carr promoters, it is so very obvious that this pick has far more to do with being controversial than anything serious. Which is sort of funny, 'cause Carr is going to lose, but also shows that Publicola isn't above advocating for something they don't actually believe in just to get more traffic.
  • Scott
    Based on the few pro-Carr comments here, it seems that "well reasoned" and "thorough reporting" essentially means repeating what Carr says without doing any fact-checking.
  • election watcher
    Wow! Well reasoned and detailed endorsement and the best one yet. ECB you finally get it as does Josh Feit. So what if you dared to stray away from The Stranger? Aren't all the Stranger reader's the kind of voters that are ineligible to vote because of their felony history anyway? Yes, Holmes tells half truths as evidenced in the Tuna fish case but that's because he is being fed lies by Duguaard and Licata's office. Are they one and the same? I hear both the Lisa's are twins in their thinking. As for Meinert's, Klatu's, Confused's and Scott's comments -- seriously they all stem from abject ignorance -- and the fact that one of them goes around smelling people's butts? Wow! Great commentary for your lack of couth and educated comments. What does Holmes's butt smell like? Holmes is the liar and the loser as far as I'm concerned. Lying smells bad!!
  • SWAK
    THIS ENDORSEMENT IS ABSOLUTE SHIT. SHIT, SHIT, SHIT!
  • kate
    I applaud Publicola for the guts to endorse Tom Carr. As I watched the West Seattle debate between the two, I thought Pete Holmes does not know anything about how a DV victim feels, and he offers no protection for folks in that situation.

    You reporters rock for your thorough reporting!!!
  • PCO37
    Publicola -
    You failed -- no journalistic integrity, no checking facts, incredibly poor editorial judgement. Several organizations are considering advertising on Publicola --this editorial is already raising red flags. Seems like Publicola is the Stranger without the sex ads.
  • Glenn Fleishman
    @26: "lame, yuppie Yalie"

    I'm glad to know that getting a high-quality education disqualifies people from serving as public officials.

    As a Yalie myself, who must be "lame" and "yuppie" (the 1980s wayback machine must be active today), I guess I should ignore the tremendous value of my years there, and stick a pencil up my nose a la Homer Simpson to make sure I'm not too uppity.

    (I'm not sure how Holmes leaving private practice to serve on the OPA for years, giving up a lot of earning in favor of a Tom Carr-derailed effort to provide police accountability, makes him a yuppie.)

    (Myself, I am grateful to Mother Yale for the vast amount of financial aid that I received that let me get a fabulous education for a pittance when my family had very little.)
  • No on 1033/Approve R-71
    Thank you, Publicola! You dared to stray away from The Stranger and Seattle Times and actually look at the broad array of issues involved in this endorsement. I chuckled when I read that you endorsed Carr solely on the basis of biking issues. Why did The Stranger endorse Holmes? On one and only real issue: Operation Sobering Thought.

    In a liberal city like this, we voters should consider important, progressive reforms implemented by Carr, like alternatives to incarceration. Thanks for having the courage to stray from the pack mentality!
  • Clyde
    One more correction to add:

    Carr hadn’t run a prosecutor’s office when he won his race in 2001, either, but he spent four years as an assistant US attorney investigating organized crime cases.


    This is misleading. In fact, Carr had not been a criminal lawyer before he was elected city attorney in 2001; he worked in the civil division of the U.S. Attorney's office. A quick search through the Seattle Times archives reveals the following:

    Carr said that although he has not practiced criminal law, his work in the civil division in the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York gave him a good look at criminal prosecution.


    "Candidates for city attorney best known outside of court," Seattle Times, September 5, 2001.
  • gnossos
    Scott, this is why I wish Publicola had done more research into this.

    Under WA state law even simple possession of cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine qualify as class C felonies. So you are correct that these should be handled by the KC office. That said, sometimes what start out primarily as drug cases morph into something else (possession of drugs w/shoplifted goods gets dropped into shoplifting only and goes to the city). And not long ago the KC office said they were going to cease prosecution of many drug offenses and refer them back to the city (don't ask me how, but Josh or Erica should know this).

    At the DMI call-in both Satterberg and Lombardi (our US attorney), looked profoundly uncomfortable and were circumspect in their remarks. Carr, however, was uber-enthusiastic promising to prosecute fully if folks even steal a candy bar (paraphrase).

    The real point I'm trying to make is that despite his support of community court, Carr believes that law enforcement is the best way to deal to with drugs (thus his support of DMI, which is law enforcement driven) despite 100 years of evidence to the contrary (in the US). In contrast, Holmes seems to really get that law enforcement is a horrifically blunt instrument when it comes to drugs and is open to truly alternative approaches. Seattle needs a City Attorney who thinks this way.
  • BombasticMo
    Holy Shit guys, I'm glad you all disagree, but be civil - they are endorsements, not epithets.

    If Publicola commenters comprise a fair depiction of voters in Seattle (if only), I think it looks like we're likely to see Pete Holmes be the victor.

    And I totally forgot the gay bar stings against porno pictures. If that was Carr's doing, one more nail in the coffin. That's nothing but heterosexist, control-freak behavior right there.
  • Scott
    Gnossos, you sound like you're more plugged into the DMI issue than I am, so I'd be interested to hear more about why you think it doesn't reflect well on Carr. Also, what do you mean by "the City handles all misdemeanor drug cases, not just marijuana"? My understanding is that the only two misdemeanor drug charges are marijuana possession and "paraphernalia." If DMI was supposed to go after drug dealers (albeit low-level dealers), doesn't that automatically get us out of the zone of these very limited misdemeanor drug charges, meaning that it would have to be Satterberg's office (and possibly also the feds) who agreed not to bring charges as part of the DMI?
  • gnossos
    Scott @ 39:

    Carr grandstanded, but the Drug Market Initiative wasn’t really his call. The city attorney has very little authority to prosecute drug cases (aside from marijuana charges, which the DMI doesn’t apply to), so the decision to offer drug dealers a way out if they cleaned up was the King County Prosecutor’s and the U.S. Attorney’s, not Carr’s.


    I agree with the rest of your post, but on this count you're inaccurate. The DMI proposal was submitted when Kerlikowski was still chief (he has since backed away from this model and said he doesn't think it fits many urban areas) and Carr was its biggest champion.

    There were reservations about it in the KC prosecutor's office. The night of the "call in" Carr could barely contain his glee. And the City handles all misdemeanor drug cases, not just marijuana. Further, the County is basically kicking drug cases down to misdemeanors so they don't have to deal with them. Carr, of course, eagerly pursues them.

    So, in fact, the DMI issue becomes quite relevant and not in a positive way. (And I'm still shocked that Publicola didn't do enough homework to realize this; to tout a negative as a positive doesn't reflect well.)
  • sorrytony
    As Joe Mallahan would say, this will "drive" me back over to the Stranger ...
  • kerri
    Booooooo. What a disappointing endorsement from you guys.
  • Scott
    A few other responses to your pro-Carr arguments:

    And despite his anti-pot perspective, Carr has also pushed for alternatives to incarceration for minor drug offenses. This year, he implemented a new “drug market initiative,” which lets small-time dealers off the hook if they agree to stay off the streets. (It also gives dealers access to social services). The program, which enrolled 16 dealers this year (5 of whom have since been arrested and charged), has reduced drug dealing noticeably in the city’s East Precinct.


    Carr grandstanded, but the Drug Market Initiative wasn't really his call. The city attorney has very little authority to prosecute drug cases (aside from marijuana charges, which the DMI doesn't apply to), so the decision to offer drug dealers a way out if they cleaned up was the King County Prosecutor's and the U.S. Attorney's, not Carr's.

    Thanks largely to alternatives to incarceration Carr has supported, the number of Seattle inmates in King County Jail has declined from 409 on average to 254.


    If by "alternatives to incarceration Carr has supported," you mean "policies Carr opposed, was forced into accepting, and then decided to take credit for once he had competition for re-election," then yes, I suppose this is true.

    The infamous “tuna case” involved a man who had amassed 50 misdemeanor convictions in Seattle Municipal Court, eight misdemeanor convictions in other jurisdictions, and six felony convictions at King County. That’s on top of 40 other arrests that didn’t lead to convictions. The total cost to taxpayers? Tens of thousands of dollars in arrest, court, and jail costs. By refusing to tell both sides of the story, Holmes damages his credibility.


    You're seriously accusing Holmes of dishonesty re the tuna case? Seriously? Carr called the case an "urban myth" and claimed to have looked for it and been unable to find it one day before he "discovered" it and posted about it on his blog. And while we're on the topic of costing the taxpayers "tens of thousands of dollars," why would it be good policy for Carr to ask for a nine month sentence? Whatever the tuna thief had cost the taxpayers in the past, asking for an extra eight months in jail (on top of the one month sentence he actually received) would have cost the taxpayers another $10,000+. How is that a good use of taxpayer resources?

    A defendant wouldn’t hire an attorney who wouldn’t promise to represent his interests. Nor should we hire a city attorney who will have to defend a city he may disagree with on purely political grounds—however righteous those grounds may be.


    This is a false analogy. Clients who hire their own lawyers have a right to tell their lawyers what course of action to take and can fire their lawyers if they so choose. Not so with the city. Here, the voters hire the city attorney, so, unlike a regular private client, the mayor lacks the power to fire the city attorney. As such, the city attorney should be considering the interests of the people who hired him and not just doing what the mayor tells him to do. It's Carr, not Holmes, who misunderstands the role of Seattle's elected city attorney, which is not the same as the role of most other cities appointed city attorneys.

    Currently, only drivers who are drunk or acting with reckless disregard for safety can be prosecuted—a high bar. Holmes says the city should spend money educating drivers and cyclists on traffic laws instead of prosecuting drivers who kill. We disagree—as does the Cascade Bicycle Club, which has endorsed Carr, citing his strong record of fighting for cyclists’ rights.


    I know I already covered this in an earlier comment, but your continued refusal to correct your misstatement of the law bears mention again. This is not the legal standard. A driver can currently be prosecuted for seriously injuring or killing a cyclist or pedestrian (or another driver) even if the driver is not drunk or reckless. Please re-read the law and the jury instruction. Cascade is also wrong about this -- the information on their website is inaccurate. There is no recklessness requirement for vehicular manslaughter.

    Holmes, an activist and bankruptcy attorney who hasn’t practiced law in seven years (citing a need to stop taking on private clients when he joined OPARB), has exactly zero experience prosecuting cases—the primary job of the city attorney. Carr hadn’t run a prosecutor’s office when he won his race in 2001, either, but he spent four years as an assistant US attorney investigating organized crime cases.


    Holmes is currently in private practice as a lawyer. Prosecution is not "the primary job of the city attorney" -- if you look at the budget, the civil division's budget is actually a bit higher than the criminal/public safety division's budget. And Carr's "four years as an assistant US attorney investigating organized crime cases" is about as far from prosecuting misdemeanors as you can get and still be within the broad field of criminal law.

    Publicola really missed the boat on this one, as you can probably tell from the volume of dissenting comments here compared to your other endorsements. Vote Holmes.
  • Jakey
    All I could think when reading the endorsement was that ECB let her bike-obsession pick the candidate based on a proposed law that will never make it through the legislature.
  • Toby Thaler
    Love it. Folks: make sure to tell your friends to read Publicola's endorsements which are mostly pretty darn good, but don't forget to read the comments on this one. Holmes is by far the better candidate. Commenter "The open government problem alone is reason to run Carr out on rails, let alone his views on who his client is as City Attorney." had it right. Compounded by Carr's taking of the opposite position on who he represents in 2001 and 2009.

    I deal with the City Attorney office regularly. There are many fine lawyers with excellent public interest ethics in that office. They need a leader with similar qualities. Not one who won't tell the mayor or executive agencies to follow the law, instead of defending their actions after they've ignored that advice (assuming he's allowing staff attorneys to give proper advice--how would we know since he doesn't want us knowing what advice is being given).
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  • Sarina
    WTF? Love the Publicola and absolutely can't get past your Tom Carr endorsement. Seriously? Tom Carr is a hot-headed meglamaniac who is dangerous to the most vulnerable people in our society - like the guy who stole the $1.72 can of tuna.
    Bad endorsement friends.
  • Meinert
    @32 - it's not all about money. However, it is completely ridiculous that Seattle's City Attorney has chosen to go to war with and fight to shut down one of the City's most popular and largest industries. That is just crazy. Forget the cultural significance - this is economic buffoonery.

    But let's consider the cultural level - a huge part of Seattle's culture since the 20's at least, has been music and nightlife. And Carr has fought against it, trying at time to disallow all ages shows, pass incredibly restrictive nightclub rules, push the SPD to randomly change venue capacities, and threaten to do more of this. His office just last week blamed domestic violence on venue owners, threatened to stop people on the street who they think are drunk, ask them where they were drinking, and then pull the liquor licenses of those places mentioned often - with no proof they are overserving or violating any other laws. This is how he treats culture and small business. Awesome.

    Pete Holmes is a better attorney. He's smarter, less devisive, and more stable. I'll be at his election night victory party.
  • 2001 voter's pamphlet
    check out what Tom Carr said to get into office:

    http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/ethics/el01a/report...

    Carr said in the 2001 Voter's Guide "The City Attorney represents you" and "should represent all Seattleites" --

    now he repudiates this view of the office and slams and mocks Holmes for espousing it.

    And he wins the publicola endorsement based on this flip flop.

    A very dextrous lawyer capable of arguing anything, it seems, as it suits the fashion.

    I wonder what he's promising now, that he will change later, if we reelect him?
  • Makes high drama from small ma
    CONGRAT'S PUBLICOLA!What a thoughtful and well-reasoned endorsement. Even if others disagree, you put a great deal of consideration into your decision. We will continue to look forward to your endorsements in the many years ahead. Meinert -- it's obvious this has always been about money for you. Glad common sense entered the discussion.
  • Meinert
    This is a horrible endorsement that supports a candidate who is at odds with a major industry in Seattle, one that spends tons on web and print advertising each year. Everyone is entitled to their shit opinions, but supporting a candate opposed to an industry means publicola will never see ad dollars from that industry. I hope ad dollars from the music and nightlife industry weren't part of any plan to make this site profitable. If so you might want to find another developer with deep pockets to support this place. Bad move publicola. I alone am partners in 7 businesses who advertise a ton. Guess where we won't be spening any money? But way to stick with your positions and not let money play a factor in them. Ya got that going for you at least (even if it doesn't make any sense)
  • gnossos
    I think this endorsement blows chunks for a host of reasons, many addressed above.

    But this in particular sticks in my craw:

    a new “drug market initiative,” which lets small-time dealers off the hook if they agree to stay off the streets. (It also gives dealers access to social services).


    You guys clearly know next to nothing about the drug market initiative. It is hardly an innovative, alternative program and the giving access to social services part is a sham.

    Referencing it as a reason to support Carr seriously undermines any credibility you have as far as this particular endorsement goes.
  • sorrytony
    The endorsement article reads like a Carr press release. On what did you base your conclusion that Carr "pushed for day reporting for low level offenses?" Day reporting was an initiative of the court & public defense agencies; the City Attorney was uninvolved. And then your claim that the drop in misdemeanor jail beds during Carr's tenure was "thanks largely to alternatives to incarceration that Carr has supported" -- again, other than Carr telling you this, what makes you think so? The only piece of the jail reduction record over the past 8 years for which Carr can claim credit is community court. The other initiatives were either without his support or despite his shrill opposition.

    Which brings us to community court. Almost none of the resources dedicated to community court have gone to providing actual services to participants. Perhaps that is why individual outcomes have been poor. In 2007, in an episode out of the Emperor's New Clothes, the court & City Attorney proudly presented a study of community court effectiveness that found that CC participants committed 2.9 new crimes on average in the period after they were involved with CC, while a comparable control group had 2.5 new crimes. Great public safety accomplishment. Only a third of participants even completed the required 2 days of community service and made one social service contact.

    Finally, on DV advocates. They have been in the City Attorney's office since long before Tom Carr became City Attorney. He did not "[put] domestic violence advocates into the city attorney's office," he walked into an office where advocates where based there. Holmes's critique of this arrangement is based on the real barriers that DV victims often encounter in getting access to the court themselves & getting their own voices and interests heard.
  • And yes, I realize in light of my history of opinion that that's kind of like the pot calling the kettle blakc, but the point stands.
  • An endorsement, folks, is simply an opinion. When all is said and done, this is still a useful news source for local politics. If you're going to overlay any moral damnation on them for their opinions, that's more of your problem than it is their's.
  • Allison Roundtree
    Way to go, Publicola! Finally, someone saw thru the lame, yuppie Yalie who has been fooling people for far too long. I don't get why there are so many apologists for the bars that break the law. Doesn't anyone remember how many people were shot, knifed, or killed in a short period 2004-07? Why is it ok for corporations -- most bars are incorporated in order to avoid greater liability -- to openly serve minors, to overserve drunks, or to put my life at risk by allowing guns into places I just wanna have fun?

    And while we are at it, why is it ok for people to steal? This is one of the most generous communities in the country towards its homeless community, so folks don't need to steal tuna or any other food. It is NOT ok to steal, and if you owned the store or booth that keeps getting shoplifted, you would want action.

    Thank goodness Tom Carr has done something to help alleviate the problems faced by the homeless and mentally ill who have clogged up our system. Thank goodness he, alone, has been able to get them services by ensuring people are taken seriously, and cared for with treatment, shelter, and medical attention, when they commit crimes. The rest of liberal SEattle just walks them by.
  • klatu
    There's more to life than bike policy. Just sayin' ...
  • sarah68
    Since I'm happy with your other endorsements and attribute those to Publicola's good sense and intelligence, I can't really slam you for the opposite attributes--idiocy and lack of good sense--on this endorsement. That's not how logic works.

    However, at the very least, without knowing whether your stated reasons are your real reasons, I think you made the wrong decision. Carr frightens me.
  • Scott
    Erica @22: I agree that "reckless disregard" would be a high bar. But it's not what the current law requires. The current law requires "disregard for the safety of others." The jury instructions define that as "an aggravated form of negligence," which is a lower standard than recklessness. The "aggravated negligence" (c) prong of the current vehicular homicide statute is a middle ground between recklessness and a traffic offense, and it's already in the law.
  • Erica C. Barnett
    @9: Reckless disregard is, in fact, an extremely high bar. The reason we need this law is that prosecutions under that law are almost never successful. This proposal--sponsored last session by West Seattle state Sen. Joe McDermott--is meant to provide a middle ground between reckless disregard for safety and a traffic offense.
  • Elsa
    Damn I LOVED and trusted you guys. BUT this one you got so WRONG! This is the man of the (in)famous "Operation Sobering Thought" - which intended to take Tom Carr's personal and moral ethics and inject them into the culture of this city. Oh, did you hear? His dad was an alcoholic, so we all need Mr. Carr to play ethics leader about what we can and cannot do in Seattle. He's just trying to save us!

    On top of Carr's highly questionable comments about this city's nightlife, as a taxpayer I am outraged that my hard earned money went toward Tom going into gay clubs and trying to fine them for things such as having a poster up with full frontal nudity - and arresting single mothers who served liquor to underage informants after they showed ID to the door guy. None of these arrests, by the way- ever ended up in a prosecution. This is Tom Carr really getting "tough on crime."

    Lastly, I've personally spoken with Peter Holmes and have been so impressed with his vision for Seattle and the kind of city we are striving to become. Full of nightlife and diversity and choices for responsible adults. I encourage everyone reading this to find out more about Peter (and Tom) and not take PUBLICOLA's endorsement seriously.

    What a letdown. I really thought more of you guys:(
  • Scott
    Dorsal @14: Agreed. And it is even more disappointing if this endorsement, which as you say might be based primarily on the biking issue, is based on a misunderstanding of what the current law actually does. If the current law imposed a "recklessness" standard on vehicular manslaughter convictions (as Erica and Josh seem to think), then there would be a strong argument for expanding the scope of criminalized conduct. But the standard for a vehicular manslaughter conviction is "aggravated negligence," not recklessness, which in my view is the proper standard for (non-alcohol-related) criminal liability. Holmes's proposal that Washington adopt something like Oregon's vulnerable roadway user law (100+ hours of community service or an up-to-$12,000 fine + license suspension) makes a great deal of sense as an alternative to Carr's desire to criminalize ordinary negligence.
  • Sandeep
    To clear up any confusion from Meinert's comment at #1: I don't have anything to do with the PubliCola endorsements and did not know about this Carr endorsement (or any of the others) until I read it on the site.

    Josh and Erica make a decent argument for Carr here, but personally I am voting for Holmes.
  • Steve
    Excuse me. I completely forgot that Greg Nickels (former) campaign director Sandeep Kaushik, is the "Spiritual Adviser" for PublicLOLa.
    So why is anyone surprised that they would support Nickels' lap dog? It makes absolute sense. DUH.
  • klatu
    ... and in addition to all the reasons listed above, Tom Carr is a Giant Tool who has blurred the line between public service and using elective office to abate deep insecurities about his own self-worth.

    Plus his butt smells.
  • Trevor
    There are a number of legitimate reasons to vote for Carr. And Holmes is not above criticism. But I think publicola has grossly misrepresented the key conflict between the two.

    It writes:

    A defendant wouldn’t hire an attorney who wouldn’t promise to represent his interests. Nor should we hire a city attorney who will have to defend a city he may disagree with on purely political grounds—however righteous those grounds may be.

    However Holmes is not advocating putting politics above the law. He's arguing that by deferring too much to the Mayor's office, Tom Carr has undermined the legal integrity of the City Attorney's office by making it a political tool of the Mayor. Carr counters by saying that not deferring to the Mayor politicizes the job. The debate is a little crazy, since clearly the job is political no matter which way you slide it. So the devil's in the details. If publicola is going to weigh in, however, it should do so without misrepresenting the other side as being purely partisan.

    Also the fact that publicola doesn't delve into specifics on civil rights or open government suggests that these are not issues publicola takes as seriously as it should. I'd hate to think that Holmes's stand on bicycle offenses is more important to publicola than open government or police accountability.
  • Glenn Fleishman
    I am stunned by this endorsement as a Publicola contributor (and one who isn't involved in endorsements).

    Tom Carr may have a few really marvelous notches in his belt, but those are clearly outweighed by his poorly chosen and expensive actions that have cost of all money, and diverted resources from more important efforts.

    Despite Carr creative these innovative methods you describe, he is weirdly ruthless and seemingly vindictive in many not-so-prominent efforts.

    Pete Holmes is a smart guy, and I find your description of his plans and statements to be slightly twisted off reality.

    Holmes may need some readjustment on his domestic violence plans, and I expect that when he gets into office and finds that there is no funding in the NGO sector to take it on, his tune will change.

    On the other fronts, I'm sick of the many many years of the City Attorney not considering citizens as one set of his clients. It's an elected offense, not a serves-at-the-will-of-the-mayor position, which is somewhat unique, and which Holmes should take advantage of.

    You comment that political stances may prevent him from defending the city. I say, great. The city didn't appoint him. We elect him in order to have high ethical standards, and to not waste our money in silly prosecution efforts, whether city backed or of his own volition.

    You need only read how many times Tom Carr has had to recant (without apology, and sometimes without remembering the next time) the many statements he's labeled false by Holmes which have turned out to be true to wonder how firmly Carr has his head screwed on.
  • This was an endorsement solely made on one issue...biking. I'm very disappointed, but not surprised.

    Its disheartening to see Publicola take a strong stance against Seattle's nightlife and music industry, considering Carr still supports his decisions surrounding' Operation Sobering Thought' and has sad as much to Publicola directly in an interview.
  • abc
    Actually the courts have consistently ruled that Carr doesn't get it. They ruled against him on the car impound law and the assault by vehicle law.

    The most recent foray for a new state law, held in city hall and sponsored by Publicola, will also not result in any increase in pedestrian or bike safety.
  • NW Rustler
    Publicola really disappoints me with this endorsement of Tom Carr. By all measures, Tom Carr has abused his role as City Attorney by not listening to voters, using the police department for political reasons and focusing on small petty crimes. He has been both reckless and wasteful. Peter Holmes is unproven, yes, but at least he is reasonable and inline with Seattle culture.

    Publicola's reasoning and arguments behind this endorsement are so uninformed and illogical that I have lost trust in any other news items they report.

    If Publicola went for cynical shock-value on this one, congratulations, they have succeeded. I hope they are happy they distinguished themselves from common sense.

    FAILED!
  • not to pop off turtles
    The open government problem alone is reason to run Carr out on rails, let alone his views on who his client is as City Attorney.

    This is a really shit endorsement.

    Did you guys do this solely for his bicycle stance, in the end?
  • on board
    I applaud Publcola for daring to go against the mindless "Stranger"-like bashing of Carr in this election. I for one hope Carr is re-elected. For one thing, Carr seems to "get it" with regards to holding motorists legally accountable for hitting pedestrians and bicyclists.
  • Scott
    On the topic of "no checking facts", as Steve says... You say: "Currently, only drivers who are drunk or acting with reckless disregard for safety can be prosecuted—a high bar." I already noted in a comment to a previous post that this is inaccurate, yet you continue to reprint it. So I will say it again: You do not need to be drunk or reckless to be convicted of vehicular assault or vehicular homicide in Washington. You only need to be acting with disregard for the safety of others. Per the official jury instructions, that is a standard below recklessness. I see you changed the wording you use slightly from your last post on this topic (from "willful recklessness" to "reckless disregard for safety"), but you're still wrong as long as you continue to insist that there is a mandatory "recklessness" standard for vehicular assault/homicide under current law. If you insist on endorsing Carr based in part on his support for criminalizing ordinary negligence, fine (you're wrong, but it's your right to be wrong), but please stop misleading your readers as to what the current law says.
  • bah humbug
    If this was an epic inner struggle for you guys to come to this decision, consider it an epic fail. I mean, really, you're taking Carr's lies about his bike and domestic violence stances over his actual record? The guy is evil incarnate. Thankfully you're online rag merely caters to people who's votes won't be swayed by this bucket of shit endorsement.
  • BombasticMo
    I have to admit I'm surprised, but you threw me off with Ross Hunter as King County Exec during the primaries.

    While you defend your position well, I just can't agree. Tom Carr was bad news for this city, and I'll be happy to see him tossed out with Nickels.
  • Confused
    There is a past issue in Tom-Carr-land that seems to contradict all of the "positive endorsements" he is now receiving. I'm hoping someone can help me make sense of it. So far, I've seen no one address it.

    When Tom Carr was facing serious budget cuts, the first thing he put on the chopping block was his domestic violence department. And, he vehemently defended his position to do so - also adamantly defending his decision NOT to reduce the number of low-level, marijuana possession charges he was prosecuting/would prosecute ("because no one understood the true harm that drugs do, like he does" or something like that). At the time, a distinction was made between Carr's hardline attitude toward misdemeanor pot possession and King County prosecutor Satterberg's decision to cut his budget where those marijusana possession charges were concerned. Under public pressure, Carr seemed to relent and didn't hack the domestic violence budget. It seems like he had to cut his budget around $300k (if memory serves).

    Recently, EVERYONE has been hyping Carr's commitment to DV issues and his "creative/progressive" attitude towards low-level drug crimes. But, it doesn't sync with this previous issue, or Carr's reply to the backlash at that time.

    Can someone explain this? Did everyone just forget? I am very confused.
  • ya-betcha
    Geez, how WRONG-O.

    Holmes represents a move to open government and public accountability. You've gotten your undies in a bunch on your spotlighted "issues" in this campaign.

    You guys are really shaping up to be the mouthpiece for the establishment...
  • Good Work
    Meinert beat me to it. You have an argument but bet this is more an issue of spitefulness towards the Stranger. You have a relevance issue as the new-ish urban-insider voice.
  • Steve
    Very disappointing. You fell for all Carr's misrepresentations. No checking facts. Good luck to you.
  • Three cans of tuna and you're
    Yes, putting someone in jail for nine months for stealing a $1.72 can of tune after he already served 30 days, that would certainly have cured this fellow of his crime of being hungry. Lock 'em up good, that'll teach 'em!

    You can tell it would have worked because because all his prior jailings worked so well.

    And at $75,000 it would have been very cost effective. As a bonus, we might be able to need a new jail if we continue to charge people to the max!
  • Meinert
    Wow. I just totally lost respect for Publicola, Josh, Sandeep and Erica. You are so wrong. But also obviously in need of separating yourself from the Stranger. Wrong way to do it.
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